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Set of Adjagba / Zagba beads
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
02/05/2024, 19:01:35

Thought I'd post this set of adjagba / zagba beads since similar beads don't appear that often on the forum. The set of 14 was on a market strand, combined with small 7L chevrons and faceted pink Venetians, of all things. That was a while ago and I finally decided to disassemble the original strand and make this necklace from the zagbas. I have never seen a matching set like this since. The vast majority of my collection is devoted to Venetian and some Czech beads, but I think these are a very sweet addition to my "stash".

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Tell me more
Re: Set of Adjagba / Zagba beads -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
03/15/2024, 05:53:36

Rosanna, I haven't encountered the words Adjagba or Zagba beads before. Please tell me more. I think I have one in my stash.



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I see, a type of Krobo bead
Re: Tell me more -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
03/15/2024, 06:56:51

From the internet: Also called azagba, zagba, or adjaba, these large powder glass beads are made by the Krobo people of Ghana. Usually formed in clay molds, the beads measure up to 5 cm long and range from nearly cylindrical to barrel shaped, and sometimes biconical. Adjagba typically have a yellow or ochre matrix with a grainy texture, which is decorated with longitudinal stripes, often twisted into spirals, in black, blue, green, brown, or red. Occasionally the beads are further embellished with spots, circles, or equatorial bands. The designs are made by funneling contrasting colors of powdered glass into the mold or inserting pre-formed glass elements.



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Re: A type of Krobo Bead
Re: I see, a type of Krobo bead -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
04/18/2024, 17:41:13

Hello Robin,

Your description is largely accurate. In the process of making these beads they were removed from the molds. twisted, and replaced. Offhand, I cannot think of any versions that have pre-made inserts: though other types of powderglass beads may have them. Zagba are distinct from older powderglass beads, but were most-likely inspired by them. Modern (post 1960s) beads diverged considerably, though new traditional-looking beads might be made at any time.

I took a hands-on class to experience powderglass beadmaking, in 2005. This is a photo of me charging a mold. Followed by the actual beads I made. I cannot say I learned anything I didn't already know about powderglass beadmaking. But it was rewarding, to have experienced it.

JDA.

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ID please
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Posted by: Paula Post Reply
06/25/2006, 09:57:18

I bought this bead from Abdul last year. Is it Venetian?
Measurement in centimeters
Thanks
Paula

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Probably Not Venetian
Re: ID please -- Paula Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
06/26/2006, 03:51:09

Hi Paula,

It looks as though the perforation channel is somewhat tapered, with larger and smaller apertures. Is this the case? If so, the bead is not likley to be a Venetian bead, nor any typical European trade bead. It's more likely to be an Islamic Period bead.

Jamey



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A Now-Possible ID
Re: Probably Not Venetian -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
02/07/2024, 02:54:41

February 2024

Having composed the book Wild Beads of Africa with Billy Steinberg in 2018, I can now remark that I recognize this to be an antique powderglass bead, probably made by a Krobo craftsman.

I will show two photos from the book for comparison. The second photo shows a somewhat larger and more-elaborate oblate bead that also has spiral appliqués.

JDA

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First post - Repaired bead
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Posted by: Sthi Post Reply
02/22/2022, 21:43:10

Long time lurker on the forum in need of help. I have a bead that I picked up years ago that is outside the types I normally collect. I figured it would be a fun research project but a decade (or more) has passed and I’ve not gotten closer to IDing the thing.

I’m not even sure what it is made out of but I’m thinking glass due to numerous tiny bubbles I see near the surface. Though half the bead appears broken off, one end has a careful repair, so I’m curious what sort of bead it might be to warrant such a fix.

If anyone is familiar with such a bead, please help me.

Hopefully I manage to successfully add a photo with my first post..



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Re: First post - Repaired bead
Re: First post - Repaired bead -- Sthi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: stefany Post Reply
02/23/2022, 15:03:48

your images show an opaque green + yellow bead that might be made of fused (not completely melted) powder glass resembling Krobo beads from Ghana, but it is also very similar to a bead type that used to be described as a Roman period "Date bead" - with a fairly wide hole- roughly oval or bulbous shaped,- green with yellow at one end... around 1 cm long... sometimes striped as shown from my collection. -maybe there is a more up-to-date description?



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Re: Re: First post - Repaired bead -- stefany Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Sthi Post Reply
02/24/2022, 18:04:55

Very helpful, thank you. I’ll keep my eyes peeled for similar beads when looking at krobos and fused glass. Does the yellow “patch” material on your beads you pictured have a wood grain or marbling pattern? Though I didn’t manage to photograph it, the end “patch” on the bead I have has such a pattern.



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Pandemic Pursuits
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
10/31/2021, 10:53:51

I've been using the increased time-at-home over the last 1 1/2 years to convert more of my bead collection into necklaces.

Some of my favorites - starting with the "blacks".

Some interesting barrel beads - note there are 3 different patterns. Two of the patterns are asymmetric, with a design on one side and a large white or yellow spot on the opposite side. I've rotated every other bead to show the two sides.

Second pic is a collection of black tabs.

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Fancier and Fancier
Re: Pandemic Pursuits -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
10/31/2021, 11:02:19

To show off the fancy elbow bead, I combined with small Krobo "crumb" disks.

The second necklace has a set of really fine Venetian barrel beads set off with a few large black coral beads from an old prayer strand.

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Terminology: end of day
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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
10/09/2021, 10:45:06

I feel irritation when I read the term "end of day" used to describe glass beads, especially frit or crumb beads.

Is my reaction based on opinions I have read here? Is it a term we apply to beads?

I think it is meaningless, but I don't want inject my opinion falsely.



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More
Re: Re: A better example -- JP Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: JP Post Reply
10/13/2021, 16:48:54

Many Venetian varieties in our Museum reserves
JP

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Re: More again
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Posted by: JP Post Reply
10/13/2021, 17:36:37

All Venetian, except for the five large ones up left in the second picture which are recycled Krobo beads.
JP

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Need more of these beads (Krobo faux coral tubes)
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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
09/12/2021, 16:10:41

I bought these ages ago, I need more for a project, and they are now almost impossible to find.

One strand is priced at $250. I'm pretty sure I did not pay that much when I bought them. Are they really that valuable now??

Any thoughts, suggestions, sources? Thanks!!

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Celebrating Russ Nobbs today!
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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
09/04/2021, 15:26:37

I got this email from Rings 'n' Things today, and had to share it! Image is of the necklace made of beads donated by BCN forum members. I am so honored to be part of this group, and grateful for my chance to "talk" with such a wonderful person. (We never met in person, but we chatted a lot!)

This was the special and thoughtful healing necklace given to our founder, Russ Nobbs, by his kind and wonderful friends on beadcollector.net.
This necklace gave him so much joy, on so many levels, that I'm teary eyed revisiting the details for his birthday this weekend. Although Russ passed in 2014, his love of jewelry making and beads lives on in his business, his family and his friends. This very special Friday email gives homage to his journey, his friends and his favorites.
The necklace is about 48" long and weighs 13 ounces. As Joyce noted on beadcollector.net: "Maybe not for square dancing or picking up recyclables at music festivals, but for sipping lattes, attending art openings or the theater, dining with other bead heads, perfect!"
To be honest, he often wore his best beads while picking up recyclables at arts & crafts shows, but she's right -- maybe not at music festivals.

And now, a bead-by-bead id:
1) ancient white agate cylinder
2) Peter's first glass bead! From the Netherlands
3) oval multi-color chevron, newer grind
4) translucent bead bearing ashes of the late Al Lind, by Art Seymour
5) genuine modern wampum bead by the Wampanoag tribe of Martha's Vineyard
6) lampwork berry bead by Guy of Wild Things
7) ancient agate cylinder bead from Mali
8) Venetian lamp work "festooned" bead
9) lampwork bead by Jim Smircich, early 1990s
10) Chinese turquoise bead
11) chevron from the first batch Art Seymour ever made, circa late 1986
12) ancient beads of amber
13) antique Krobo bodom family bead
14) hollow blown bead by Floor in the Netherlands
15) lamp work eye bead by Charles (will show another image showing the cool eye)
16) modern Krobo recycled glass
17) blown Venetian glass heart with gold leaf
18) Venetian lampwork replicating Krobo bodom
19) polymer otter by Luann Udell
20) Venetian lampwork bicone
21) lampwork by Tim of Beaded Lily, now in UK
22) Venetian 6L chevron bead, grind by the Howard family
23) antique Krobo bodom bead
24) large polymer bead of Union flag cane decor, by Carole Morris and Graeme in UK
25) large decorated stone bead, red/white/blue eye, from India
26) Venetian 6L chevron bead, grind by Uwe Wantke in Germany
27) lampwork bead, unknown artist
28) modern Krobo powder glass bead
29) very ancient olive shaped agate eye bead
30) folded polymer bead by Jamey Allen, with decor of 3 Khamsa with eyes. 1990s.
31) antique 4L aspeo chevron, Dutch or possibly Venetian
32) antique Khond brass bead from India
33) polymer chevron by Cody Craynor
34) ancient Islamic black and white teardrop
35) ancient Islamic sea foam green furnace bead with inserts
36) black and white contemporary chevron from India
37) 19th c. Italian terracotta Maiolica bead with "Spes Mea", or "My Hope"
38) Venetian oval millefori bead, early 20th c.
39) large teardrop antique mother of pearl bead
40) ancient Islamic eye bead
41) ancient beads of amber
42) Venetian multi chevron
43) red chevron, applecore grind by Rick Rice
44) ancient Roman furnace wound double bead
45) antique agate bead
46) modern Krobo recycled glass
47) 2013 BCN agate bead, made in Taiwan

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Andean beads -- help needed
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Posted by: Karlis Post Reply
06/30/2020, 13:41:47

I was sent several images of beads in the Andean collections of a Japanese museum for comment. Most of them are typical Spanish Colonial types but those on one strand are problematic regarding their age and method of manufacture.

Here is the strand. Most of the beads are wound. I do not know if the brass ones are actual brass or coated with it.

The one bead appears to have a thin layer of copper on the surface of its perforation.

Has anyone seen similar beads or know where and when they were made?

Another problematic group follows.

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Re: Re: Andean beads -- help needed
Re: Re: Andean beads -- help needed -- Karlis Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Jerri P Post Reply
07/22/2020, 08:33:17

Hi there. I seem to have some similar beads that came (according to the seller) from Madagascar. Supposedly 'witch doctor's' beads, they were strung along with the typical late 19th/early 20th Century beads but of course I've no way of knowing where these glass 'donuts' originated. They really do look as if someone has poked a hole in a glob of molten glass with a stick.

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Pierced-Glob Glass Beads
Re: Re: Re: Andean beads -- help needed -- Jerri P Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
07/24/2020, 12:35:40

Manually piercing a glob of molten glass with a pointed implement may be one of the oldest methods for making glass beads; and might be practiced by any "primitive" glass industry or cottage industry. And such beads might be ancient, or made last week.

The problem of identifying a possible origin is the same situation we face with plain wound beads: they are all more-alike than they are different or distinctive. At least with wound beads we can sometimes tell whether the glass was furnace-worked or lampworked—and that can be a useful clue. Sometimes the glass itself can provide a clue.

Nevertheless, just as the Krobos recycle bottle glass—because it is avaiilable and practically free, most people would be in a similar circumstance—and have industrial bottle glass available to them.

JDA.



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Time to share some eye candy
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
05/06/2020, 10:13:53

This post are some of my favorite sample cards from Czech beads. These pictures were taken at archive of the Jablonec Museum. All of the sample cards are pre WWII, most are from the 1930's.

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I can identify this bead-
Re: Do not think this is Czech -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: stefany Post Reply
05/08/2020, 04:08:08

dear Hans, Floor, JP, everyone-
i had an entire graduated string of these glazed pottery chevron lookalikes which i bought from someone from Nairobi whose family made beads -i suppose for the jewellery enterprise called "Kazuri" -although the strand was stolen from the shop, i think i kept an example.!!

will try to see if i can access an image-



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Re: I can identify this bead-Found My Evidence!
Re: I can identify this bead- -- stefany Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: stefany Post Reply
05/08/2020, 05:01:33

this is a slide from my Istanbul presentation in 2007 - all Chevron "Tributes"-
and there are 3 glazed ceramic beads from the Nairobi strand-one smaller one just to the right of the centre top, and near the Krobo beads slightly left of centre at lower edge. no 3 is near the right edge.
their blue outer layer is striped rather than solid.
one more that appears similar near the centre is more spherical and is actually painted plaster of some kind.
in the top right corner is a ceramic chevronesque toggle with 2 holes, made in Peru!

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Frit Core bead (one on cover of latest Bead: Journal...)
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/26/2020, 19:17:49

I was reminded of a bead I used to own, that under a microscope appeared to be some sort of powder glass.

Here's the discussion from 2008 (!)

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=get&cG=5363831393&zu=3536383139&v=2&gV=0&p=

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Re: Frit Core bead (one on cover of latest Bead: Journal...)
Re: Frit Core bead (one on cover of latest Bead: Journal...) -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: JP Post Reply
01/29/2020, 07:58:28

This type of beads have always intrigued me.
They are fairly rare. I found the few we have in the Ivory Coast, occasionally mixed on strands of early generation "Rattle snake" like the ones shown by Beadist. One of them is hourglass shaped.
Some do have a grayish or beige core, some don't (but they may all have a core not always seen and covered up like Bodom beads). It would be interesting to see a broken one to learn more, anybody?
They are probably originating from the Krobo in Ghana and possibly related to some type of Bodom.
JP

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Boo!!
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
10/31/2019, 13:43:44

Happy Halloween to all!

Here are three "ghost" beads - the designs are really florals as you can see when the details are revealed.

Also a spooky "Baule face" bead with some black 4-layer chevrons. I don't normally collect chevrons, but recently was shown a market strand with 12 beautifully patinated and irresistible 4L blacks, so I guess I now collect black chevrons - LOL! You all know where that leads - now I need a few MORE to fill out the necklace design. Preferable shorter ones, hint, hint.

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delayed Boo!
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Posted by: hans Post Reply
11/04/2019, 06:33:11

Couldn't find the picture sooner.
A Krobo recycled chevron bead made in Ghana
No photoshop!

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Why filed millefiori? (clarified)
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Posted by: CoinCoin Post Reply
09/05/2019, 16:34:03

Filing chevrons to show the interior layers makes sense, but when you file a millie or lamp bead it just destroys part of the exterior decoration. Maybe they were covering up holes? I've just never seen these sorts of beads filed before - has anyone else?

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I agree with Rosanne and Joyce
Re: Why filed millefiori? (clarified) -- CoinCoin Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: hans Post Reply
09/06/2019, 07:32:29

These kind of beads occur in Ghana and were cut by Ashante and the Krobo-people.
Especially the Ashante cut decoration away from yellow Venetian beads, referring to the gold beads worn by their chiefs



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Misrepresentation or lack of basic knowledge in Auction houses
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Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
07/22/2019, 04:16:38

It continues to astound me the amount of misrepresentation or lack of basic knowledge I see in Auction houses in identifying items they sell, and not just about beads.

This is a good one, an item being represented as a antique enamel on glass necklace.
In what world does that even remotely look like enamel on glass.
On the flip side, knowledgeable buyers can sometimes get a good deal.

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/73910855_antique-enamel-on-glass-necklace-40-long



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Faience
Re: Here's Another:Q Did the Egyptians and Romans make it to Oklahoma? -- AnneLFG Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
08/20/2019, 05:42:38

All of these beads appear to be Egyptian faience.

So, not trade beads at all.

But many people think that just about any beads can be called "trade beads." Which, of course, totally destroys the usefulness of the term.

There might be a lot of ways a strand of ancient faience beads might wind up in Oklahoma. But not from terribly long ago.

The beads recovered at the Mali digs are not "Roman"; but are from the Islamic Period. None included here.

Jamey



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Re: Faience and Nila
Re: Faience -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
08/20/2019, 13:55:19

If you look very carefully you will see several Nila beads mixed in:

(second row from top if you see it as 4 rows ) or-bottom most loop from clasp-5th bead, 10th bead, etc.

As you know Nila beads often have distinctive lines and a certain look, etc. Enlarge it and please look again. (in your free time, lol)

"Early Trade bead Necklace, Oklahoma"
I thought they were inferring these were DUG BEADS from Oklahoma or "Found" in Oklahoma and why Oklahoma was inserted in the listing...

As you know too many times African made Krobo granular glass beads or something totally NOT in context are in some Riker Box display labeled as Dug Trade Beads Native American. Thus the post.

Also as one example [in error] of Nila=Roman glass beads I give you one Rita Okrent, (RIP), who absolutely describes (or maybe someone handling her Estate) her Nila Mali excavated beads as"Rare Bright Blue Roman Glass Excavated Ancient Nila Beads, Djenne, Mali".

https://ritaokrent.com/products/rare-bright-blue-ancient-excavated-nila-beads-djenne-mali-at0617

Peter Francis in "Asia's Maritime Bead Trade 300 BC to Present" has a nice discussion on Nila and suggests either made in the Middle-East or heat altered Indo-Pacific: Pg. 228: #26 CLICK ON TO ENLARGE (IMGUR)

Page on Google Books: https://books.google.com/books?id=zzZBdGQN_TIC&pg=PA228&lpg=PA228&dq=where+are+nila+mali+beads+from&source=bl&ots=e--qSAmdiS&sig=ACfU3U2-AaGhT2QVGGzkbJwj1vhvl5nbQA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiE3u71z5LkAhXtqlkKHVBsCto4ChDoATAKegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=where%20are%20nila%20mali%20beads%20from&f=false

GTK the Nila is Islamic and not Roman. I have actually tried to look that up with no luck as Roman Beads=Nila is a widely disseminated misunderstanding. Thanks.

Bead lover, collector since Age 15, semi-retired had wholesale/retail bead, folk art, tribal art store Lost and Found Gallery for 25 yrs. in DT Greensboro, NC

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help with ID
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Posted by: sammi_tenn Post Reply
08/06/2019, 09:09:55

Yellow everyone, This weeks thrift shop finds include these two beauties. What do we think? Are the pink ones selenite or glass? are the multicoloured one trade beads or more modern Krobo beads?

as always all and any info is gratefully received!

salmi

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Re: help with ID
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Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
08/06/2019, 10:14:06

The pink satin glass beads are drawn and faceted tubes of glass with what look like silky fibres but may be actually drawn/stretched bubbles within the glass and the pink may be the result of a later process of soaking in a coloured dye that penetrates the tiny apertures by capillary attraction.... probably Czech? Others may have a different idea...i’ve seen them in a pale blue and pale green as well-
The coloured ones dont appear Krobo to me but some glass and some perhaps plastic?



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Re: ID
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
08/06/2019, 13:31:37

I agree with Stefany regarding the Atlas glass beads.

The multi-colored glass beads cannot be Krobo, since the beads are largely molded (Czech/Central European), and possibly wound. Krobos do not make molded beads, apart from their powder glass beads. And they do not make wound beads. So these would be imported into Africa (if they come from an African context).

JDA.



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What is this bead material?
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
03/11/2019, 12:14:48

Just purchased a strand of faux coral to satisfy my curiosity. The seller thought the tubes were painted metal.

However when I fractured one, the material looks more like some sort of soft stone or maybe grey coral? It broke very easily and also abrades very easily. Or, is it a man-made material?

The beads vary in size and shape, and the holes also vary.

The unknown faux coral bead from the Beck collection that I posted recently, looks like the same type of bead.

I'm sure someone in the global BCN community recognizes it!

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Could it be like the grey core in old powder glass beads?
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
03/11/2019, 15:36:40

I'm reluctant to fracture one of them to compare. In fact I only have one, and it's not a very large one, so maybe it will make the ultimate sacrifice. I'll wait for more input before I destroy it.

If anyone has a powder glass bead with a gray core that is already broken or badly damaged, and you’re willing to donate it to bead research, please let me know, or just post a good macro photo of the fracture surface.



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Re: Could it be like the grey core in old powder glass beads? -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: hans Post Reply
03/12/2019, 10:10:55

Hi Rosanne,
hereby an example of a grey core (if seen at a distance) powder glass krobo bead. You can see on this bead that the grey is build up from a lot of different colors.
And another possibility, a low fired, ceramic spindle whorl from Mali.
Can you describe the sound while breaking the bead? Was it a dull sound or clear? (Don't know the right description of sounds)
Both pictures from the "boulevard of broken beads" flickr photo stream

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Trip to Desna Czech Republic (Pics 3)
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06/27/2018, 10:37:33

First pic is White Heart (Red) cane stock, generally only produced once a year and the second picture is among the interesting machines you may see. This one, for larger size rocaille production, say 6/0-1/0, inspects that the bead are round or square (flat), and if bead is too flat its discarded. Often on a production run up to 70% is discarded. They claimed this was most efficient way, any upgrade with technology not worth the expense. Traditional methods.

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Re: Trip to Desna Czech Republic (Pics 3) -- Perry Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
06/27/2018, 19:30:14

Wow, they could indeed be selling the flawed ones to the Krobo for making recycled glass beads. I have seen Krobo bicones made of fused white heart beads.



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Beads on a Budget - 2018 Edition
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Posted by: Finfan Post Reply
02/11/2018, 14:03:51

Well, as usual I found a bunch of interesting(?) things this year. I'll start out with a pair of pendants that I got for $1.50 each and a large Chinese Chevron that I purchased for $5.oo.

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Re: Beads on a Budget - 2018 Edition
Re: Beads on a Budget - 2018 Edition -- Finfan Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Finfan Post Reply
02/11/2018, 14:43:20

One last piece to show. This is a strand of old Krobo beads that I found. Also not a budget item.

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Krobo, recycled 6 layer Venetian chevron
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07/22/2017, 07:12:33

Enjoy

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Close inspection of Indonesian (Javanese?) beads
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
06/10/2017, 13:47:42

I found these two strands of Indonesian (Java was also mentioned in the ad) online and decided to buy them in order to be able to examine the ones that look like very good copies of old Venetian trade beads.

The two strands look very attractive and I'm sure your eye will be drawn to a number that look a lot like older beads.

The following series of posts has comparisons I made with Venetian beads in my collection, along with some very handsome beads that "sort of" look Venetian.

Not sure if we should refer to these beads as Indonesian or Javanese, or even something else. Would appreciate your input!

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Thank you Rosanna...
Re: Close inspection of Indonesian (Javanese?) beads -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Uwe Post Reply
06/11/2017, 10:04:25

Your comparisons will help...when I buy my Venetians by strands and kilos, there are nearly always some other beads mixed in the strands and the Indonesian beads become more during the last years and they become closer to the originals year by year. If I would make charts of all non-Venetian beads on these strands, new Krobos would take place one, followed by older Krobos...15 years ago Indian beads would take place 3, but today I think this place is for Indonesian beads now...not often I found singles from China,India or beads of plastic, maybe made in Africa, like the blue/white/red oval left corner...Thanks again...:)

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Re: brown eye beads -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Uwe Post Reply
06/13/2017, 04:12:05

I´m not 100% sure, that the "eye"-bead is not Venetian, but I have my doubts, because of the very small perforation and even more because of the rounded ends, which are unusuall for Venetians (traded to Africa) of this size, but often to find on Chinese and Indonesian beads.
The blue/white bead is from Ghana, made of crushed Venetian or Czech beads, without a basis but with the typical conical hole...

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Re: end shots.... -- Uwe Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
06/14/2017, 10:29:59

The hole is very mis-formed, not like a Venetian bead of this shape. I agree, It looks like a Krobo style bead. Was it made of cane slices instead of beads? Interesting. I don't see evidence of holes in the little striped beads, do you?



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Bodom Beads?
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Posted by: Delilahmay Post Reply
05/20/2017, 15:44:06

Hello,

I recently came across this strand of African Trade Beads and I'm wondering if anyone knows any information about these. They appear to be yellow sandcast. Does anyone have idea of approximate value?

Thank you so much in advance.

Amanda

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Krobo powderglass from Ghana...
Re: Bodom Beads? -- Delilahmay Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
05/20/2017, 17:39:48

My guess is these are in the 20 - 40 year old range, not terribly expensive, what the buyer is willing to pay, really.



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Re: Bodom Beads?
Re: Bodom Beads? -- Delilahmay Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
05/21/2017, 08:50:40

modern Krobo powder glass beads, probably 1990's to current production, without a good size reference it is hard to guesstimate the value....but these are tourist type items, full retail on a complete strand would be under $50......I have sold similar for under $5 per bead



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The return of "Beads on a Budget"!
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Posted by: Finfan Post Reply
02/19/2017, 17:33:00

Well for the last several years it seems like something has always come crashing down on me right after the Gem Show. Home remodeling hell, family crisis, visiting relatives, etc. Thus I never got to photographing and posting pictures of purchases.

First up I have a group of real cheapies. I have already strung some of them but each individual strand was $0.50, the green dogbones were $1.00 per strand at a different location. The dealer said they weren't glass although they feel like it. Perhaps acrylic? I did notice in one case that the mono-filament they were strung on was stained the color of the bead. I don't think I'll expose these to water. Some of the dogbones show signs of a seam. Molded?

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Re: The return of "Beads on a Budget"!
Re: The return of "Beads on a Budget"! -- Finfan Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Finfan Post Reply
02/19/2017, 17:50:35

Here are some strands I got from Tasart. Let's just say that these are not budget beads. First is a strand of older blue and black Krobo beads. The second is a nice strand of Millifiore.

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Do you have any photos of men wearing beads?
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10/22/2016, 21:27:33

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West Africa (Benin) local market
Re: Do you have any photos of men wearing beads? -- Frederick II Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Anansi Post Reply
10/26/2016, 11:26:11

When we were living in Ghana from 2008-2011 we made a trip to Togo and Benin. These photo's are from a local market in the north of Benin where a man was wearing this beautiful necklace with old trade beads.

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Re: West Africa (Benin) local market -- Anansi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Anansi Post Reply
10/26/2016, 12:00:45

One of the Durbar's in Ghana when there is a meet and great with many chiefs, decorated with a lot of necklaces with very old, old and new (Krobo) beads.

Enjoy it.

Nel

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help with identification
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Posted by: sammitenn Post Reply
10/09/2016, 10:33:46

Hi,

I found these awesome beads today at a market. I am positive that they have been re strung as the threading material doesn't seem right for the age of the beads, also there are two very modern wooden beads in there that don't look right either. My first thoughts were perhaps moroccan or north african. Any help would be gratefully received.

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In my opinion, these appear to be Krobo powderglass (made in Ghana) of varying styles...,
Re: help with identification -- sammitenn Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
10/09/2016, 14:34:02

10 - 20 years old. The smaller ones at the back may be as old as the 1970s.

Except for the metal caps flanking the 5 big central beads, and the very spherical beads (those are the wood?) on the outside of them. I can't tell anything about those.

Oops, I just discovered that you had similar responses from your identical post!



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Posted by: sammitenn Post Reply
10/09/2016, 10:56:05

Hi,

I found these awesome beads today at a market. I am positive that they have been re strung as the threading material doesn't seem right for the age of the beads, also there are two very modern wooden beads in there that don't look right either. My first thoughts were perhaps moroccan or north african. Any help would be gratefully received.

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Re: help with identification -- sammitenn Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
10/09/2016, 11:04:17

It looks to me like most of your beads are Krobo beads, made from recycled glass in Ghana.
The big brown ones are typically made from shards of glass reheated to melt and then poked to make a hole.
The smaller ones with the stripes and the yellow discs are made more delicately, but also from recycled glass.



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Re: Krobo beads -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: sammitenn Post Reply
10/09/2016, 11:29:51

Hi

Great thank you so much for the information. would these be old? or are they modern?



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Re: Re: Krobo beads
Re: Re: Krobo beads -- sammitenn Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadstore.com Post Reply
10/09/2016, 11:41:47

Hi Sammiten, these beads are being made today and are really quite beautiful (we often call them "sea glass" style). Here's a nice website showing pictures of the beads being made:

http://www.ghanacraft.com/bead-making.htm

Cheers,
Abe @ Beadstore.com



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New Computer Testing ...
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Posted by: Dog Bone Crazy Post Reply
10/02/2016, 08:03:57

Hello All;

My first test post with my new computer;

unidentified bead.

Enjoy
Sincerely
Thomas Mercer

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It works!
Re: New Computer Testing ... -- Dog Bone Crazy Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
10/02/2016, 12:05:27

The bead looks like a cousin of my imperfect chevron bead!

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Re: It works! -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Dog Bone Crazy Post Reply
10/02/2016, 12:27:47

Hello Floor;

I do like your bead. They do look as if they might be cousins. However I purchased the bead several years ago thinking it was a recycled Krobo Venetian chevron. It is not. I showed the bead to Art Seymour. Art could not identify the bead either. So it is as Art said a "special" bead.

Be Well

Thomas Mercer


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Posted by: JustMe Post Reply
07/28/2016, 11:02:34

I'm sure these have been discussed before, are these an older version of Krobo beads? And, they don't look anywhere near this bright in person, couldn't photograph how they really look.

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Re: Krobo beads -- JustMe Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: CoinCoin Post Reply
07/28/2016, 19:08:06

Here is an example of what I was seeing in the 1990s, not so much since about 2005 or so, when things got a lot more colorful and sophisticated.

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Re: Krobo beads -- JustMe Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
07/28/2016, 22:22:40

They look consistent with a batch that we bought about 15 years ago that had been in Duke University's collection. They all had been accessioned in 1983, tagged, so I'm guessing at least as old as 1970s for those.



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different sizes are made
Re: Krobo beads -- JustMe Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
07/29/2016, 20:42:01

My experience is that Krobo powder glass beads come in many sizes. I have some that are tiny rice sizes. I have some that are 10-12mm. I've had some that were huge, as big as golf balls.



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I was not questioning that these came in different sizes....
Re: different sizes are made -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: JustMe Post Reply
07/30/2016, 01:51:06

...which is why I said I believed mine were a bit larger, larger not better or more definitively Krobo. Not a contest, was just making a comparison.

I am still interested in an answer to my question about how beads in strands are strung, that some are on raffia and some on cotton string and is that any indication of anything at all, or simply a random choice.



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My best Krobo...
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07/30/2016, 10:41:22

Ooooops, Proceed to my next Post. Sorry.

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07/30/2016, 10:46:10

A heated, and repaired seven layer green.

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Re: Re: My best Krobo... -- jake Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: JustMe Post Reply
07/30/2016, 11:06:02

...that this pendant is a Krobo pendant?

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What does the rest of your strand look like?
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Re: What does the rest of your strand look like?
Re: What does the rest of your strand look like? -- JustMe Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: jake Post Reply
07/31/2016, 12:18:05

Chevron strand from left: Very cool square Seven layer, Yellow black and brick faux, pitiful green seven, extraordinary black seven, white black and brick faux, and Krobo heated, reconstituted green seven.

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Is this a Hebron bead?
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
06/27/2016, 10:23:08

I'm puzzling over this small (10 mm diameter) green bead. There are three eye decorations; two of them shown here.

Would appreciate any input!

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Re: Is this a Hebron bead? -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: hans Post Reply
06/27/2016, 12:29:03

Hi Rosanne,
I don't think this is a hebron bead. Color, lustre and eyes don't look right to me.
Can you show us the perforation from both sides?
A krobo bead is an interesting thought.



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Black core
Re: Re: Is this a Hebron bead? -- hans Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
06/27/2016, 17:50:03

Hi Hans & Lynne -
Here are the photos. It looks like the core is black (sorry about the piece of raffia sticking in there) so yes Krobo is possible. I'm not used to seeing any green Krobo particularly small, shiny ones so let me know what you think! Thanks for your comments!

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Re: Black core -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: hans Post Reply
06/28/2016, 04:13:29

Hi Rosanna,
It is a unique one. IÕve never seen such a bead.
But the color green occurs in beads from the Krobo area. Also the use of small beads as eyes as one of the eyes in your bead. There are also green Akoso beads. The shiny surface occurs too when the heat of the furnace is high enough and no grinding afterwards is used.
Added are two photographs of beads collected in Benin with a black core and shiny surface and just about the same size as yours. The only examples I have. But were in Africa they were made is an enigma to me.

Pity you did not call Amsterdam on your last trip, Hans

PS these two beads are also in the collection of the Picards on internet

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Bodum?
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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
03/25/2016, 11:55:05

Hello, I just purchased these powder glass beads hoping they are good. What can you tell me about them?

I read through some older posts, but don't see any/many blue ones.

The bicones are 1 inch diameter by 1.5 inches long. The roundish are 1.25" diameter.

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Re: Bodum? -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
03/25/2016, 13:27:03

Brand new Krobo Bodom/Akoso copies.....$10-50 each max



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Thanks. Made in Africa?
Re: Re: Bodum? -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
03/25/2016, 14:15:41

I paid less than $20 for all. I like them, so that's ok.

Oh, you say Krobo. Ok.

Seller had some genuine oldie Venetians, so I was hopeful.



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Posted by: John Haigh Post Reply
05/02/2016, 20:31:49

Birdi,

Yes they are beautiful. Undoubtedly made in Africa, in Ghana, in Krobo, by people working in Somanya who were born in the village of Tsyebite, Nomodo Djaba known as "Cedi" and others in Krobo region started recreating the style of old "bodom" or Akosua beads by following the same techniques of their fathers and grandfathers in crushing to power old beads and fusing and winding the glass, in the 1990s or 2000 maybe, initially in the old colours of yellow... these are blue so they have moved beyond imitation, to use the same traditional technologies to create something new. As a craftsman from a bead-making tradition, Cedi would enjoy the experimentation and exploration. Enjoy them as lovingly created pieces of art. As for value - what price is your pleasure, for me they are priceless.


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Close-ups of small black braided glass trade beads
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04/23/2016, 21:23:05

A couple weeks ago, I posted pics of two small (6mm) black glass braided beads I found on a strand of newer krobo beads I'd just purchased.

I cut the strand apart--they were actually strung on old tigertail.

Here are two close-up pics showing the holes.

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Small "braided" glass beads??
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04/08/2016, 17:57:19

I ordered several strands of Krobo beads from the Rita Okrent collection. These were newer than I thought, but still unusually nice for newer sandcast beads.

When I took a closer look today, I found two very small...Venetian?? beads, one dotted (sort of like an end-of-day bead??) and a tiny combed bead (about 8mm wide, 5mm thick).

But I also found two small black glass beads, same size, that were make out of tiny pieces of black glass, arranged to look like they are braided. Very cool!

I've never seen anything like these. More handmades from Africa? Or something else??

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