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Posted by: Nana Post Reply
02/14/2020, 11:39:43

Hi, could someone help identify this bead necklace please, I am wondering if its Louis Rousselet

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Old glass teardrops with wire loops
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
02/14/2020, 14:13:17

Hi Nana,
I once bought a nice pair of bracelets of these very beads, strung on elastic. One was the same color as yours, the other a turquoise blue. Some yellow was thrown in too. I have always believed them to be old Czech glass, maybe from between world wars. Even back in the 80s when I got them, the wires had an old, tarnished look. The other handmade “ pinched” beads as well as the old barrel clasp appear to be of the same era/ origin.



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Posted by: Nana Post Reply
02/14/2020, 15:09:30

Thank you, do you think this could be a Louis Rousselet piece

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Re: Glass bead necklace/Molded and LampWork Beads
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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
02/14/2020, 17:09:25

Hi, Looks to me like you have two different types of Glass Beads on this necklace. The "light bulb" shaped green and clear beads are probably a Czech Bohemian Glass made in a mold probably in the late 1800's- 1950's range. However, the test would be uniformity of size and shape. Do you have a way to measure the beads, and close up of the bead hole? It is possible that this shape could also be another material, but I think I see air bubbles, so probably glass. These seem obviously Older and not the "newer" ones that are still being produced.
The larger green more "free form" wavy beads with fin-like? sections appear to be "lamp work" or made by hand rather than in a mold. Hard to pinpoint Origin as
although there are Czech Lampwork beads, there are also Lampwork Italian, French, German, Japanese, etc. beads. A better photo of those beads would help with I.D.
The Clasp is unusual, IMHO, and appears to be a Large Brass screw type clasp, with green enamel. Do you see any markings on the clasp?
I am not familiar with Louis Rousselet, but this appears to be Early to Mid-Century "Costume" Jewelry. Someone more familiar with finished Bohemian Jewelry will be able to give a more spot-on details than I. Because some bead shapes and beads were produced over many decades something like a clasp or other beads on the strand can help determine Age and Origins.
Good luck- it's interesting! Anne

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Posted by: Nana Post Reply
02/14/2020, 18:18:10

Hi, thank you for the reply. The small beads are about 5mm they all seem the same size and I also see air bubbles. I tried to get a photo of the bed hole on the larger one. Thanks for the information

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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
02/14/2020, 17:09:35

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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
02/14/2020, 17:19:04

The drops in your necklace are typical of Czech (or Central European) manufacture. However, they are hot-worked, and were not "molded" (as suggested above). The finned beads are lampworked, and a tong was used to squeeze-out the fins. I do associate France with this sort of work—but not Rousselet in particular. They could also be Czech. And the French were know to exploit Czech beads in their manufacture of costume jewelry.

So possibly the beads are all Czech—and the necklace made by them; or made into necklaces in France.

Jamey



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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
02/14/2020, 17:26:27

Thanks Jamey- I guess I am used to seeing a Seam on the Light Bulb beads and calling them Molded. What is "Hot Worked" in this context and WHY would it make calling them Molded (totally?) Incorrect?

What are the finer Nuances with making this type of Bead that I am not understanding? I understand that the Early "Vaseline" and some other beads were made with the Tong Mold, each by Hand, but Thought these "Light Bulb" beads were generally more of a Production/Molded Glass Bead (even if made in a Cottage Industry or Home Setting)...

Are the terms "Molded" and " Hot Worked" mutually exclusive or do they go hand in hand? Or are you mainly making the distinction that HOT WORKED VS a Powdered Glass (in a mold) is the precursor to being "Molded" and must be included for a more accurate definition???

Thanks, Anne

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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
02/15/2020, 02:43:21

Though Jamey can answer this, I think what he meant is that these small drops are lampworked. The molten glass is put onto the wire individually while working at a torch/burner.

There are lampworked beads that are also molded, both in one part molds, where the bead is pressed or rolled into it. Or they can be two part molds, where two halves are pressed together, leaving a seam.

However, when we talk about Czech molded beads, it is generally used to refer to a method where thick rods are heated in a furnace, and then they are shaped in a large two part mold. These beads are not lampworked.

In this case, both the drops and beads are lampworked, and no mold was used.

Looking at the finished piece, the overall style looks more French than Czech to me. Most Czech drops I have seen are made differently. The metal on the loops appears to have some copper content, looking at the green on it. The Czechs use kanthal wire, though I do not know if they always have. As Jamey says, the finned beads are more commonly found in French glass jewelry.



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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
02/15/2020, 12:31:52

Thank You, the reason I said measure to see if they were all the same size size (molded) was a suspicion that perhaps some other method was at hand. I did not see seams as you usually do on the "light bulb" beads but this could be from age, wear, or way they are made. Perhaps the air bubble also give a hint at how they are made-maybe. I have lots of these beads, and some are stone, some glass, and some are odd..Going to go back and take another look with NEW EYES!
Thanks, Anne

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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
02/14/2020, 18:04:39

This looked Helpful as far as General History of Bohemian Glass
Industry. Thank You to Jamey and also Big Bead Little Bead link below. Copy and Paste:
https://www.bigbeadlittlebead.com/guides_and_information/history_of_czech_glass_beads.php

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Posted by: Nana Post Reply
02/14/2020, 18:24:30

Yes thank you to Jamey, and your added infomation, I did add more pictures under the other post, very new to forums so forgive me if Im posting wrong lol

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Posted by: Biddulph Post Reply
02/16/2020, 07:36:01

I have a similar necklace. Mine is pink glass teardrops, like clusters of grapes, joined by lucite circles. It was given to me by my aunt who, as a teenager in the 30s, stayed in Paris. The necklace was in an old French jewellery box together with another, galalith and glass, which Jean Rousselet kindly confirmed is indeed 1920s Rousselet, adding 'we still have some of the beads'.

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Posted by: Nana Post Reply
02/16/2020, 12:02:26

Thank you for the information, how did you get ahold of Jean ?

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Posted by: Biddulph Post Reply
02/19/2020, 02:09:26

Nana, Look up Jeanne Danjou & Rousselet. They are descendants of Louis, still have the original shop ( since 1920) on Le Point- Neuf Paris. And still sell some old beads ! They also repair antique necklaces etc. Lots of info and contact details on the site.

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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
02/19/2020, 11:53:45

I just checked but can’t figure out how to post a link with the tablet I am using. Search Rousselet, all posts, from 6000 days up to 20 days. We really do have a great archive, but one has to be curious enough to experiment with it.



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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
02/19/2020, 12:15:06

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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
02/19/2020, 12:29:59

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Posted by: Nana Post Reply
02/21/2020, 19:20:52

Thank you thank you , I just sent them an email with photos

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Posted by: Nana Post Reply
02/21/2020, 19:22:45

Thank you thank you , I just sent them an email with photos

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Thanks, Anne!
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02/22/2020, 05:00:11



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02/21/2020, 19:19:31

Thank you

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