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Speckled "Peking" "Boshan" glass beads puzzle
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/06/2023, 11:16:03

Recently I acquired a necklace that's nearly an exact duplicate of one that showed up on Ruby Lane several years ago, containing what are evidently "Boshan" style glass beads.
Comparison photos of the two sets of beads in the pix below - Ruby Lane first, mine second

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The question is . . .
Re: Speckled "Peking" "Boshan" glass beads puzzle -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/06/2023, 11:21:52

Are the speckled beads in the necklace I own Chinese?

They fall into two types - one with blue crumbs, the other with predominantly green. The crumbs in both types seem to be fragments of cane. The beads with blue crumbs also have tiny bits of aventurine cane.

I did some rather rocky photos comparing these beads with a strand of what I am told was determined to be "Boshan" glass beads. These also have tiny speckles of aventurine.

Thoughts?

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Speckled "Boshan" glass beads from Bead World, Seattle
Re: Speckled "Peking" "Boshan" glass beads puzzle -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/06/2023, 11:25:48

That's all I know about these - harvested the pix from Etsy once upon a time

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Blue speckles in "Boshan" glass
Re: Speckled "Peking" "Boshan" glass beads puzzle -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/06/2023, 11:32:42

Evidently Chinese, appear in a number of contexts -

Brass canister finial.

A necklace I own with what appear to be antique Chinese twisted wire cloisonne beads.

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Blue speckles in "Boshan" glass
Re: Blue speckles in "Boshan" glass -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/06/2023, 11:37:57

C1930s stye necklace with what appears to be a Chinese filigree clasp.

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They all look like Boshan beads to me.
Re: Speckled "Peking" "Boshan" glass beads puzzle -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/06/2023, 14:56:43

It is very easy to conclude both necklaces were made by the same hands. Suggesting this was production work by some company.

A photo of the strand I just acquired, since I just edited it.

JDA.

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Are these Boshan?
Re: Speckled "Peking" "Boshan" glass beads puzzle -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
03/06/2023, 22:14:30

These speckled beads are around 9.5 - 10 mm.

Chris, Jamey - what are the sizes of the Boshan beads you are showing?

Note, my beads were from a couple of sources - the necklace composition is mine.

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More "Boshan" beads from the U.K.
Re: Speckled "Peking" "Boshan" glass beads puzzle -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/07/2023, 10:29:37

Stumbled across these, pic shows original Chinese knotting.
c12mm range. Similar cane-flake crumbs.

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My Boshan Beads Arrived!
Re: Re: Avventurina in Chinese Beads -- beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/12/2023, 03:27:31

Among the thirteen groups of beads I just received, one set is azure-blue with spiral trails of avventurina; and another is yellowish but clear with avventurina crumb spots. In both groups the avventurina tends to be thin or watery-looking. I had to check with a hand lens to be totally confident.

Since these beads are reputed to be from the 1990s, they don't provide any indication of avventurina use much prior to that time.

JDA.



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Re: The First Photo
Re: My Boshan Beads Arrived! -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/17/2023, 18:33:34

This a composited image of two photos put together.

This is the only edited photo, so far. But, having purchased and received yet more Boshan beads, I plan to shoot close shots soon.

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The Beads I Like Best
Re: Re: The First Photo -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/29/2023, 14:08:32

The upper beads are cornflower-blue (though described as "violet").
The lower beads are smaller and are a nice but odd tone of greenish-yellow. One could say "yellow chartreuse."

JDA.

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Drawn cane in Chinese glass beads?
Re: Speckled "Peking" "Boshan" glass beads puzzle -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/13/2023, 13:12:39

The elongated, dirt-filled bubbles in the casually faceted beads in this Chinese necklace - likely from the 1930s-40s? - seem like evidence of cane-drawing.

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Re: Drawn Chinese Glass Beads
Re: Drawn cane in Chinese glass beads? -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/25/2023, 07:21:31

This is a strand of Boshan hot-pinched overlay beads. It seems evident these were inspired by Venetian wound overlay beads. I discerned that Boshan beadmakers made drawn beads in about 1985, based upon beads I saw then. I didn't know about the present beads until the 1990s. I bought some in Beijing in 1997, though mine are more brownish/less red on their exteriors.

JDA.

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Mistaken Identity/Name Issue Here
Re: Some of the beads in your recent collection do resemble the necklaces beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/06/2023, 19:42:54

Hello Chris,

First, I devised the name "beach ball" for a class of pseudo-millefiori beads, made in Japan. Nevertheless I see your point in this context.

When I went to China in 1997, I was surprised to find that there was a class of hot-pinched overlay beads (dull red or brownish-over-yellow), that seemed to be imitations of Venetian overlay beads—though the Venetian beads are wound, and the Chinese beads are drawn. I had previously documented Boshan beads that on the surface seemed to be identical, but turned out to also be wound or drawn (though all acquired together). These were translucent red glass.

So it is clear the Boshan makers produced hot-pinched glass beads.

In the strand I just acquired, the single drawn bead present is the specimen you pointed-out. The base is white, with four superficial stripes, being: red, blue, yellow, and green. The red and blue stripes are wide and abutt each other. The yellow and green stripes are thin and flanked by the white base glass.

By the way, four years ago I bought a large striped hot-pinched Boshan bead, that I suppose was inspired by a German marble bead (though by comparison it is not well-made).

Regarding the striped beads you show, that have avventurina ribbons outlined in white, on a black base—these may resemble drawn hot-pinched beads, but, since Venetians made very few (if any) hot-pinched beads, these are not that. Rather, they are wound and ribbon-trailed—and each of the stripe units has been added to the bead; and the shape was eventually rounded by constriction (more at one end than the other), and compression. In these ways the beads resemble "late a-speo beads" (though a-speo beads are primarily drawn beads, manipulated to become rounded, or whatever shape is desired).

JDA.



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Re: The Boshan Marble-Bead-Like Bead
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/30/2023, 05:09:19

In my collection.

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Re: "Cane Flakes"
Re: What I mean by "cane flakes" -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/26/2023, 21:29:35

Hi Chris,

OK, I get it.

Some of the beads I bought from Jane are being called "crumb beads, but the decoration includes incomplete fragments of patterned canes. I can see that "cane flakes" is descriptive of that. I bought these beads because I thought they were interesting. But they are so small, you can only appreciate this under magnification.

The pale pink spherical beads on the left side of your first photo appear to be Japanese. (I haven't viewed the other photos yet.)

JDA.



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Re: Re: "Cane Flakes"
Re: Re: "Cane Flakes" -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/03/2024, 11:43:40

This is a photo I just posted at Facebook, showing a few of the small dark blue beads I have (from Jane) that have millefiori chips as crumb decoration. These have to be viewed under great magnification to be studied.

The second photo is the necklace I composed a few nights ago. The above blue beads are used as filler beads in the necklace. All of these are Boshan glass. Some I have had since 1987; though others were acquired recently from Jane and another seller.

JDA.

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The Pendant
Re: Re: Re: "Cane Flakes" -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/03/2024, 11:49:33

The pendant is a piece I acquired two years ago from an estate sale. It is Chinese champlevé on silver or white metal, depicting a boy holding a fish--that is apparently a rebus for wishing the abundance of birthing many male children.

The Boshan beads were selected to echo the colors of the pendant.

JDA.

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A serendipitous find of "Peking" glass beads
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/02/2023, 11:58:29

Have been collecting Chinese souvenir brass canisters with Boshan glass finials, recently bought one with a murky yellow ochre bead.

And then, weeks later, this string of (ugly!) old 10mm glass beads appeared on eBay - apart from their overall style, I guessed they were Chinese mainly because of the double knots that the Chinese like to use.

And was surprised when they arrived and appear to match the old canister finial exactly.
So there's "provenance" for ya, I guess ;^)

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Canisters & Glass bead finials
Re: A serendipitous find of "Peking" glass beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/02/2023, 12:03:53

Definitely Boshan style, yes?

I like the "Squirrel & Grapes" theme on the canister on the left.
The piece on the right seems older, features 4 separate views of the Summer Palace and a cobbled-together finial resembling a mandarin hat button.

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Re: A serendipitous find of "Peking" glass beads
Re: A serendipitous find of "Peking" glass beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Karlis Post Reply
03/04/2023, 18:07:29

Details concerning the Beijing and Boshan beadmaking industries are provided in the article by Rick Sprague and An jiayao: Observations and Problems in Researching the Contemporary Glass-Bead Industry in Northern China.

https://www.academia.edu/27514446/

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A Really Impressive Reference
Re: Re: A serendipitous find of "Peking" glass beads -- Karlis Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/05/2023, 12:03:16

Having recently attained a slew of Boshan beads, added to those I already have, and have documented; and since I have worked toward a new perspective on these beads (only presented before now in lectures), I have intended to re-read this article as well as the equally provocative article by Kan and Liu (Ornament), to regain the insight presented.

I may present my thoughts online. But my goal is to produce a self-published monograph.

JDA

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Sewing basket beads
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/06/2023, 08:51:58

...and then I noticed what appear to be identical beads.

Thoughts?

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Past brief discussion here on sewing basket beads
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/06/2023, 10:53:22


The author presents evidence that the beads were likely made in Guangdong. They seem to be to be uniformly what could be described as "opal" or "greasy" glass, versus glass from Boshan.

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=4475341&iZz=4475341&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0

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Bowled over by Secret Santa
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Posted by: lindabd Post Reply
01/01/2019, 10:26:40

Hello everyone,

Attached are images of my rather astonishing gift from Secret Santa Paige this year.

I'm the sort of "collector" who scours thrifts and bins for the occasional excellent bead. To open a box like this was jaw dropping. Very generous, very kind, totally unexpected and carefully annotated. I hesitated to post images because I was a little afraid of intimidating people (like myself perhaps) who's gifts were somewhat less astonishing.

I'm going to try to put all these little masterpieces in one "treasure" necklace. That should take a while to work out as I'm still stringing and restringing options for the Boshan bead I received last year.

Thank you Paige and Joyce and BCN.

I wish everyone in this forum a year of sweet surprises - the kind that has you exclaiming "holy moly!" as you scatter the cats and break into a happy dance.

Here's to 2019!

Linda

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Anybody know what they are
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Posted by: monkeyrs6 Post Reply
06/14/2018, 10:39:56

I have inherited these beads but know nothing about them apart from that they are quite old. They look to be hand made as they are all ever so slightly different in shape. The colour seems to run through out the bead and the holes vary slightly. They are about 1cm in size and there is 108 of them on a thread with two more set lower. At first i thought they were glass or some sort of Jade now i have not got a clue.I was planing to sell them but can not find anything like them on the net. Any help on finding what they are would be a great help..Tim UK

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Many Mandarin necklaces probably contain Boshan glass beads, in my opinion.
Re: Boshan—yes..., Mandarin—no. -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
06/23/2018, 23:29:12

I do not agree with Jamey's opinion that "the Boshan industry developed too late to have much or any effect upon the Manchu costume." Over the last 40 years or so, I have examined more than one hundred authentic Mandarin Court Necklaces, since buying and selling antique Chinese beads has been one of my specialties. I have observed that about half of the MCNs I have handled were made of glass beads. And therefore I reached the conclusion that a significant percentage of Mandarin Court Necklaces made during the Ching Dynasty were either made of glass or, at least, included some glass components. Glass was an inexpensive way to fulfill the color requirements indicating rank of the official wearing the necklace, as compared to coral, ivory, or semi-precious stones.

I am also certain that the MCNs with glass beads and components that I examined were not recent fakes. I became familiar with the parts and construction of authentic pieces by taking many of them apart.

Another piece of evidence supporting the use of Boshan glass in MCNs is the use of glass beads for the finials on Mandarin hats. The finials can be studied much more easily than MCNs since they have metal fittings that can be easily examined for their age appropriate construction and patina. Finials were made to coordinate with the necklaces, supporting a conclusion that glass was commonly used for MCNs.

Note: MCNs typically date from 1644 to 1912 (Ching Dynasty). Boshan glass dates from the 14th century, with Boshan glass beads especially coming into use in the 18th century under Qian Long (1736-1796). For more information see: "Chinese Glass Beads: New Evidence", by Peter Francis (www.thebeadsite.com/be02-ch.htm)…link courtesy of Rosanna.

Robert Liu's article: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54a8ea9ae4b0d1cd06f46bba/t/54e524efe4b0bc89fe275d35/1424303343507/Orn36_4_ChineseGlassBeads.pdf

And: http://gotheborg.com/glossary/glass.shtml



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Peter Francis' opinion on "Peking" Boshan glass beads used for MCN:
Re: Many Mandarin necklaces probably contain Boshan glass beads, in my opinion. -- Frederick II Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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06/24/2018, 01:22:29

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An observation on contemporary "Boshan" style millefiori beads
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
02/06/2018, 15:54:58

Jamey gave a presentation at the 2004 Bead Expo noting the unusual construction of the murrine in the old Boshan beads - as if a strip of glass was rolled up, causing the tiny stripes to spiral outward from the center.

The newest beads seem to be using the Venetian drawn cane method - no spiraling.

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The old beads
Re: An observation on contemporary "Boshan" style millefiori beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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02/06/2018, 15:58:33

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Lovely early 20th c. pink Chinese millefiori from the Naomi Lindstrom collection
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02/10/2018, 09:46:21

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There are three new ones here. Can you identify them?
Re: An observation on contemporary "Boshan" style millefiori beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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02/06/2018, 21:29:53

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Exceptions to the rule.
Re: An observation on contemporary "Boshan" style millefiori beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
02/06/2018, 21:39:07

Here you see squiggles which are not neatly arranged as a rectangular frame around a neatly centered starburst. Nevertheless, it shows greater artistic control than the newer ones.

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Pink Chinese starburst beads
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02/07/2018, 00:33:49

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"Boshan" ?
Re: An observation on contemporary "Boshan" style millefiori beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
02/07/2018, 08:55:11

I think it's curious that Boshan is placed in quotes—since the primary place of manufacture is at Boshan. Or, a few other centers of bead-manufacture receive their canes from Boshan.

The newer beads have canes that have fewer spirals around the center. Nevertheless, these canes do spiral (!) and are different from the Venetian canes that inspired them, that have complete concentric stripe layers.

I showed the only "new" Chinese millefiori beads I am aware of, about 10 years ago, that I believe were not made by exploiting old stocks of canes.

JDA.



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You're likely right.
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
02/10/2018, 18:25:38

The spirals in the beads on offer for about $4 seem to be a single turn of the curve, instead of what I initially thought was an effort to imitate this type of murrine using the Venetian method.

Pic shows two examples of the beads showing a single turn vs a bead with multiple turns.

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Non-spirallng cane in newer beads?
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
02/15/2018, 12:15:09

Some pics of Mel's from a thread a few years ago demonstrate what seems to be the lack of spiraling - just one thin stripe seems to connect the center cluster with the outer ring. An effort to imitate the spiraled rod from decades prior?

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I feel these beads have probably already been thoroughly researched in China.
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Doubtful, if this Taobao entry is any indication
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
02/13/2018, 17:39:30

"Tibet old color glaze Bead Qing Dynasty white twisted silk hyacinth glass bead product good without injury"

Asking $211.07 USD.

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Chinese Sewing Baskets - anyone own the book?
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
02/06/2018, 09:51:02

Parts are available via Google Books. I did a search on "beads."

https://books.google.com/books/about/Chinese_Sewing_Baskets.html?id=zXWBll-wEVEC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q=beads&f=false

The author presents evidence that the beads were likely made in Guangdong. They seem to be to be uniformly what could be described as "opal" or "greasy" glass, versus glass from Boshan.



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A map showing distance between Boshan and Guangdong.
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02/06/2018, 19:52:17

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Red Chinese glass beads - questions
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
02/04/2018, 13:38:04

Still sorting through my Chinese glass beads from the early 1990s, all purchased from Hands of the Hills, who got them in northern Thailand.
The Dunnings believed these beads to be products from the 1950s-80s, in contrast to the dark cobalt beads with worn patina and ends, which they thought could be a couple of generations old, perhaps dating to the Qing dynasty [court necklace beads?]

The beads on short strands in the middle display wear on the ends.
Colors vary from a dusty currant red to bright scarlet.

The beads on the left, in a necklace I strung in the early 1990s (which has always reminded me of black olives and cherry tomatoes, possibly why it never sold), show only very minimal wear around the holes, but are more carefully made than the bright red strand on the right.

I'd really like to know what colors of red are in that beaded shop sign from the late 1930s in the Japanese museum. I.e., is there any evidence at all that the Boshan glassworks made bright red cadmium/selenium beads before World War II?

The red beads on the wicker sewing baskets from the 1920s are a very different color - sort of a bubbly dark tourmaline red/pink.

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Boshan Glass Chinese Lantern Necklace
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01/29/2018, 11:11:48

Recollecting this necklace from an older thread featuring Boshan glass beads strung as Chinese lanterns (also all those Haskell-attributed charm necklaces)

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=get&cG=9323236313&zu=3932323631&v=2&gV=0&p=

I took a notion to make one of my own. It was surprisingly difficult to string, with unexpected problems every damned step of the way, but that's all over now.

The clasp is an old very worn Jiaqing (1796-1820) coin (or a replica therof) featuring a Chinese button knot. Once upon a time (25 years ago) I knew how to tie this with only one working end, but it took me a couple of hours of YouTube and practice to remember how. Tch!

Here's the best tutorial I found, if you're interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl_hVULhBbw

The casual blue and pink necklace turned up in the box of Chinese beads, made 25 years ago - IIRC I envisioned the clasp hanging on one side as a decorative element. Dangles are too long. Whatev.

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Chinese so-called "Peking" Ruby Red Glass Beads - pre WWII vs 1990s
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01/09/2018, 12:42:39

The thread on Chinese bead shop signs inspired me to drag out my boxes of Chinese glass beads, purchased in the 1990s from the Dunnings at Hands of the Hills. If I remember correctly, these were beads purchased by Akha traders in China, and are worn with traditional costume.

Some beads have definitely been worn, and have satiny surfaces and flattened ground ends. The ones strung with the garnet-glass tube beads are in this category, as are the two strands of brighter red beads.

The less worn strands pictured with the handful of loose beads made in the 1990s demonstrate what seem to be differences between the older and newer beads - the older ones are more carefully made, very round and comparatively well-matched, with uniform holes; the newer ones are more like donuts, with winding marks and more bubbly glass, sloppy holes.

I dug out the 1990 Volume 2 of Beads: The Journal of the Society of Bead Researchers that contains the cover photo and article by Rick Sprague about modern Chinese beads, which shows fairly nice red beads on the cover.

So I wonder...could the beads with worn ends date to the 1930s, similar to those seen in the shop signs and before the Boshan glass factories were destroyed during WWII?
Or are they post-WWII, say, 1960s-70s, and merely abraded from a couple of decades of wear?

What about the well-made beads in comparatively un-worn condition? 1980s seems likely?

Dug out my little pocket spectroscope, and all beads (even the dark garnet cylinder beads) display a red/black selenium type spectrum.

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New Year Show & Tell - White Beads
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
01/01/2018, 11:07:46

Happy 2018!

In celebration of the New Year, and in harmony with the snowy conditions of the middle and eastern parts of the country, here are some white (or almost white) based Venetian beads.

Please post your own white beads!

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White China
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Posted by: Will Post Reply
01/02/2018, 19:14:56

From the two ends of China:

- an unusual Boshan glass bead. I'm not sure of the date - either 1950s or earlier in the twentieth century, I guess. The bead is crackled internally, giving the impression of rock crystal, but the crackles don't extend to the surface, which is quite smooth. It's a very pretty effect which I haven't seen before.

the second "bead" is from one of the great early Neolithic jade-making cultures in China - the Liangzhu culture which flourished at the end of the third millennium BCE and the beginning of the second in the area around present-day Hangzhou. This is one of the mask-decorated pendants that are found in Liangzhu tombs. It is pierced vertically, for use as a pendant decoration probably with some ritual function.

Each of the great early jade-making cultures seems to have valued different qualities in jade. For instance, Hongshan peoples probably treasured green jades most of all, whereas the Qijia people from the northwest seem to have preferred jades with a high contrast between light and dark elements in the stone. In Liangzhu it was white opaque jade that was appreciated most. it was achieved by a deliberate burning process, but in such a controlled way that it didn't produce blackening of the stone.

Happy New Year to everyone.

Will

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secret Santa package already delivered across the ocean last week! amazingly early-
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12/12/2017, 11:52:24

but i'm trying to resist opening it till 25th Dec... anyway- hope to report when i do..

Stefany



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Thank you Santa Steinberg
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Posted by: lindabd Post Reply
12/26/2017, 05:21:18

For my favorite thing!
A bead of a sort that I had never seen before!
I look forward to making it the focal point of a long, multi strand, tasseled necklace, and finding out whatever I can about it.
The bead feels great in my palm.
Many thanks!!
Linda

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Chinese. Boshan?
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
12/30/2017, 11:54:36

From Pinterest, after searching images "1930s boshan glass" on Google.

https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/231442868330641556/

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And a cameo appearance in an older BC thread on Boshan millefiori
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12/30/2017, 12:08:52

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Baby carrier
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Posted by: lindabd Post Reply
12/31/2017, 01:17:43

It is intriguing how close the marbles and Boshan beads are to each other in terms of sensibility and color. Thank you so much for the imagery - and for your focus on this bead type, Chris.

I realize with some embarrassment that I did not refer to the bead (when posting the image) as one from Boshan, as Mr. Steinberg wrote that it was when he sent it!

The only image of a baby carrier with a large bead that I've turned up so far is this one of a Yao baby carrier found in nearby Guizhou province. No doubt I need to be more creative with search terms.

It has been fun looking as the textiles from many ethnic groups in Yunnan are so beautiful.

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Unusual Style of Boshan Bead
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10/02/2017, 13:59:07

Sold on eBay for $50 and shipping.

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the good and the bad
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06/04/2017, 17:26:22

I did a search for highest price Venetians, trying to learn the actual selling price for the oval fancies. It appears they sold between $500 and $600 approximately....... Item 371966447799

At the top of the list is the strand of India chevrons. I'm mystified anyone would pay the price of $1200.00....... Item 172380017248

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06/04/2017, 17:39:50

I shouldn't have looked. Lord help us all. Here is another high priced sale of non-Venetian Venetians. $638. What are these beads???? ......122468558036

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Boshan beads
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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
02/27/2016, 21:53:43

Frederick, you posted a few weeks ago that you felt these beads, that recently sold on eBay, are arguably recent.

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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
02/27/2016, 21:56:46

Frederick. For my edification, would you please describe why you think the beads in the above post are arguably late 20th century and your beads (attached) are not? I'm just curious what differences you discern between the two.

This is the post that goes with the below images (which are images of your beads):

beadiste 03/03/2015, 19:33:45

What I see is a difference in lampworking technique - on the older beads, the red/green/yellow trails are added as "frames" for the starburst murrine, often assuming a rather squarish overall outline, or circling the ends of oval beads. They seem to be conceived as squiggly lines of color.

Whereas on the newer beads, the accent trails often appear to be dotted dabs.

Another difference is glass texture - the older beads seem to be mostly smooth and opaque, even semi-tranlucent or milky in appearance.
No gassy, bubbly tomato red or transparent green glass, for example.
Bubble gum and toffee versus transparent lollipop sugar candies...

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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
02/27/2016, 22:03:46

These, from the Summerfield collection, are a departure from the above. The colors are vibrant--not muted or black--and the frames impinge on the eyes in a few locations rather than frame them... However, they do have the requisite swirling frames (rather than dabs) and the starbursts looks like eyelashes with way too much mascara. These beads and the first example seem to stray from type, as described by Beadiste above.

Joyce 02/04/2016, 21:58:13

…I've been more curious about the lovely 1930s Boshan (Chinese) millefiori beads in recent years. I was really rather dazzled to see these beads from the Summerfield collection displayed by Jamey Allen in the ballroom with the Ethnographic Group. What a splash of color! I will knot them simply on black cord. Approx. 12mm x 12mm.

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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
02/27/2016, 22:54:42

In this case, I believe the comparison is clear.

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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
02/27/2016, 23:03:58

This is my necklace. And I added some newer ones. The difference was well described by Chris:

"What I see is a difference in lampworking technique - on the older beads, the red/green/yellow trails are added as "frames" for the starburst murrine, often assuming a rather squarish overall outline, or circling the ends of oval beads. They seem to be conceived as squiggly lines of color.

Whereas on the newer beads, the accent trails often appear to be dotted dabs.

Another difference is glass texture - the older beads seem to be mostly smooth and opaque, even semi-tranlucent or milky in appearance.
No gassy, bubbly tomato red or transparent green glass, for example.
Bubble gum and toffee versus transparent lollipop sugar candies…"

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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
02/27/2016, 23:31:11

Stylistic generalizations about arts and crafts are problematic. You are welcome to doubt my opinion. We learn more from disagreement. After all, in art there are exceptions to every rule -especially when we allow for artistic license.

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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
02/27/2016, 23:46:50

The ones which I am certain are old have dots and multi-colored squiggles applied with confidence. The eyes are well centered and do not overlap. The squiggles are strong and seem under control by comparison.

After handling many beads which you are certain are old, and after experiencing beads which are certainly new, your intuition tells you.

Old beads often -but not always- have patina. And when they do, you have a clue which informs you.

Trying to make judgement calls when dating crafts is not easy. And trying to choose words to describe these differences is difficult for me. I cannot expect everyone to see what I see.

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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
02/28/2016, 01:01:12

I suspect, also, that I may feel differently about these beads if I were to see them in person...

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This group, posted by Chris a few years ago...
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
02/28/2016, 10:51:35

from Hands of the Hills, as were the Summerfield beads...

Will like for you to see mine at the next opportunity, Fred. I was warned by another collector who has handled these and remembers when H o H had them that the red glass is more fragile than the others, and sure enough, they are the ones with some small chips. And it is interesting that the decorative trails on my red ones are monotone rather than two or three colors. But the surface wear seems characteristic enough for me not to suspect that they are newer beads "slipped in" with the group. But as ever, I welcome as many critical eyes as possible.

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Posted by: kitrescue Post Reply
02/28/2016, 11:07:56

The stringing and clasp on the original strand pictured does not look new.

I bought these other loose beads a while ago that came with a card from the original owner, in case this is informative.

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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
03/02/2016, 09:08:52

I am afraid some of the sellers on eBay, Etsy and elsewhere suffer from a conflict of interest when they are describing the age and provenance of beads.

Personally, I suspect these beads are from the 90's because of the flattened ends on some of them. Not all clues are confirmations. But they add up. For example, the eyes and squiggles are comparatively random. The bubbles in the odd pink glass are peculiar.

I have not concentrated on the Chinese starburst bead so much. And. I believe there are a few specialist dealers who will generously share information from their experience. Does anyone have access to them?



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Posted by: mosquitobay Post Reply
03/02/2016, 10:59:10

I remember talking with Steve at Hands of the Hills back in the 1990's at the time he had two types. One he said were old and the others were new. I may have one of his old catalogs somewhere that could possibly show the differences, just a thought.

The one below came from Jimmy Swoape back in the 90's it is larger size than most, about 20 mm in diameter. He claimed to have had it since the 1970's if I recall correctly.

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Re: Boshan beads- clasp and stringing are older
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Posted by: kitrescue Post Reply
03/05/2016, 12:49:40

Photo of the clasp and stringing from the listing. This looks older than the 1990's.

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Chinese beads?
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02/12/2016, 12:38:45

are these Chinese beads? does anyone recognize the style. thanks

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Chinese Millefiore made in Boshan, arguably late 20th C.
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02/12/2016, 21:21:48

Hello Darci,

I am sending you a private message. Please look for it.

Thanks, Fred



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Re: Chinese Millefiore made in Boshan, arguably late 20th C.
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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
02/27/2016, 21:38:19

I've been wondering about your reply, Frederick. For my edification, would you please describe why you think the beads in the above post (that sold recently on eBay) are arguably late 20th century and your beads (attached) are not? I'm just curious what makes you think so.

I'm including a few images of early Boshan beads and their posts; some of these beads are yours.

This is the post that goes with the below images (which are images of your beads):

beadiste 03/03/2015, 19:33:45

What I see is a difference in lampworking technique - on the older beads, the red/green/yellow trails are added as "frames" for the starburst murrine, often assuming a rather squarish overall outline, or circling the ends of oval beads. They seem to be conceived as squiggly lines of color.

Whereas on the newer beads, the accent trails often appear to be dotted dabs.

Another difference is glass texture - the older beads seem to be mostly smooth and opaque, even semi-tranlucent or milky in appearance.
No gassy, bubbly tomato red or transparent green glass, for example.
Bubble gum and toffee versus transparent lollipop sugar candies...

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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
02/27/2016, 21:44:22

Again, the colors are vibrant, not subtle, and the frames impinge on the eyes rather than frame them...

Joyce 02/04/2016, 21:58:13

…I've been more curious about the lovely 1930s Boshan (Chinese) millefiori beads in recent years. I was really rather dazzled to see these beads from the Summerfield collection displayed by Jamey Allen in the ballroom with the Ethnographic Group. What a splash of color! I will knot them simply on black cord. Approx. 12mm x 12mm.

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today's finds!
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02/21/2016, 09:03:22

at a vintage garments/textiles fair today i just spent on beads a total of UK £43.- that's USA $62.-
i got a loop of assorted japanese beads such as we discussed here not so long ago, plus 2 necklaces that may both be recently made chinese beads. The design of the tassel necklace is definitely not my taste whatsoever, but there are 6 handmade lampwork beads, and the other is a string (on elastic!) of 80 of the blue types decorated with trails and partly transparent possibly spiral millefiori rather small sizes- 8-10mm.

on the japanese loop there are 2 double-faced heads of unglazed ? porcelain, i glazed pottery, 14 glass beads with fairly large holes, 4 of those slightly log-shaped beads of bone stained red to resemble coral, 6 round lacquered pottery beads, of which 2 have damage,
5 bone beads= 2 turned shapes with circle-dot decoration, an elephant, a hare,and a human skull, and 4 opaque agate or jasper stone beads, total 36 main beads, with small wooden beads between.

i hope the photos do them justice!

(also a 1950s booklet of patterns for bead embroidery onto frocks and gowns, for the Beadobilia category! not illustrated here...for another £12.-)

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