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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/02/2023, 11:58:29

Have been collecting Chinese souvenir brass canisters with Boshan glass finials, recently bought one with a murky yellow ochre bead.

And then, weeks later, this string of (ugly!) old 10mm glass beads appeared on eBay - apart from their overall style, I guessed they were Chinese mainly because of the double knots that the Chinese like to use.

And was surprised when they arrived and appear to match the old canister finial exactly.
So there's "provenance" for ya, I guess ;^)

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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/02/2023, 12:03:53

Definitely Boshan style, yes?

I like the "Squirrel & Grapes" theme on the canister on the left.
The piece on the right seems older, features 4 separate views of the Summer Palace and a cobbled-together finial resembling a mandarin hat button.

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Re: A serendipitous find of "Peking" glass beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/02/2023, 23:10:41

First, I have a canister surmounted by a Chinese glass bead—a plain one. And the canister is not as nice as yours....

I recently made a big purchase of Boshan beads from an online seller. She was calling them "Peking glass," and I informed her that this is an outdated name, and that what was formerly called "Peking glass" beads were furnace-wound—whereas similar-appearing Boshan beads wee torch-worked.

We have exchanged several interesting messages, and she seems nice and interested in my perspective. And she has told me about how she came to acquire the beads, by actually going to Boshan. And other details. But the most-surprising thing she told me was that, at Boshan, they made both furnace-wound AND torch-work glass beads. Also various other types—which I know because I have seen and documented a very good sample collection, some years ago.

It is easy to believe that the above were instigated by resident Germans, because I have one bead that looks like an attempt to make a marble bead. In contrast, their millefiori work was clearly inspired by Venetian products (being made in the 1920s or '30s) from mostly floral molded canes.

The upshot of this is that the dividing line between Canton "Peking glass" beads and Boshan furnace-wound beads is now blurred. Some of the plain furnace-wound "Peking glass beads" are likely to be from Boshan. That is going to demand a thought adjustment.

Anyway, the beads I bought are on their way to me now. And I expect to buy more.

JDA.



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P.S.—In the American context, that tone of yellow is called "greasy yellow."
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03/02/2023, 23:12:38



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Re: A serendipitous find of "Peking" glass beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Karlis Post Reply
03/04/2023, 18:07:29

Details concerning the Beijing and Boshan beadmaking industries are provided in the article by Rick Sprague and An jiayao: Observations and Problems in Researching the Contemporary Glass-Bead Industry in Northern China.

https://www.academia.edu/27514446/

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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/05/2023, 12:03:16

Having recently attained a slew of Boshan beads, added to those I already have, and have documented; and since I have worked toward a new perspective on these beads (only presented before now in lectures), I have intended to re-read this article as well as the equally provocative article by Kan and Liu (Ornament), to regain the insight presented.

I may present my thoughts online. But my goal is to produce a self-published monograph.

JDA

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Thanks, Karlis
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/06/2023, 16:31:14

My copy of this issue is getting ratty from use :^)

What I remember most from it is how embarrassed the Chinese evidently were that they were still making low-tech glass beads. So sad!



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BEADS Vol. 2 copies still available
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Posted by: Karlis Post Reply
03/07/2023, 11:57:10

You can always order a new copy for less than $10 postpaid. Available from the SBR website or on eBay.



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Re: A serendipitous find of "Peking" glass beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/06/2023, 08:51:58

...and then I noticed what appear to be identical beads.

Thoughts?

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Past brief discussion here on sewing basket beads
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/06/2023, 10:53:22


The author presents evidence that the beads were likely made in Guangdong. They seem to be to be uniformly what could be described as "opal" or "greasy" glass, versus glass from Boshan.

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=4475341&iZz=4475341&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0

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Guangdong = Canton
Re: Past brief discussion here on sewing basket beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/06/2023, 18:09:15

The popular literature has said that "Peking glass" beads were made at Canton. One might prefer to say "Canton beads"—these being furnace-wound products. Since Guangdong is essentially Canton, and since the sewing basket beads and rings all pretty much seem to have the same beads (though in different conventional colors), I suppose most or all of these things were from South China (not far from Hong Kong).

In contrast, Boshan is nearly 2,000 KM to the northeast, and is an industry that made and makes specifically "lampwork" beads, as well as a variety of other types. Nevertheless, in the 1980s impressive numbers of Boshan beads were sold out of Hong Kong, supposedly from storage sites, holding beads from some fifty years previously. Having witnessed and documented this, my exposure to those Boshan beads was critical for comprehending the variety of decorated and millefiori beads composed.

JDA.



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How the beads were made, from the sewing basket beads book
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/13/2023, 12:17:37

"An informant of Chu and Chu, himself, recalled that his aunts were engaged in this activity [winding glass beads] in Canton:

They first dipped thin bamboo rods into water in which clay was suspended and after withdrawing them, set them aside to dry. The coatig would aid in the removal of the bead after it had been wound around the rod, incidentally leaving a perforation deposit of clay. To make the beads two people held the bamboo and twirled it as a third allowed molten glass to trail at a spot on the stick to build up a bead.

After the stick was filled with beads, it was laid on a bed of dried clay to cool. Once cooled, the beads were shaken off into a tub of water, which helped to clean them. After the beads had been strung on hemp cords, 100 to a string, they were taken to a contractor, who paid for them and gave the bead makers aothe batch of glass with which to work. "

Chu, Arthur and Grace, Oriental Antiques and Collectibles, Crown Publishers, New York, 1973

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Each bead took 3 people! From a personal account.
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03/16/2023, 15:55:08



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Re: How the beads were made, from the sewing basket beads book -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/17/2023, 18:26:45

I knew Grace Chu, who was a member of our Bead Society, and a very nice lady. I admired her (their) book on jade more than the glass stuff. She was very modest about their books. I have never believed that conventional glass beads were wound onto bamboo rods. This just seems very unlikely. I would like to see someone replicate this process.

I do know that, in some instances, Canton beads were offered for sale in small boxes, and inside the box were short lines of beads. These had been strung onto bamboo sticks. As far as I know, this is the association between glass beads and bamboo.

JDA.



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Why not bamboo? Seems as good a stick as any.
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/17/2023, 20:48:56

The account was fairly specific about clay coating and three people involved in the process, not just one.
Or would the hot glass have burned the clay-covered stick, because it was not metal?



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Re: Why not bamboo? Seems as good a stick as any. -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: jatatoo Post Reply
03/18/2023, 08:07:15

Peter Frances' Glass Beads in Asia, Part I , page 2: "These are made by wrapping molten glass around a rod, stick, or wire."

"Stick" would seem to imply wood/bamboo within the context, but no citation was given.



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I will believe it when I see it reproduced.
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03/22/2023, 09:18:58



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Re: Why not bamboo? Seems as good a stick as any. -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/31/2023, 13:46:18

I would challenge anyone to make a bamboo stick less than the typical size of a perforation for a large bead (say 4 to 5 mm), well-formed and round in cross section, like a skewer, and as long as necessary for two people to hold the ends over some convenient safety container (to catch whatever glass would be spilled). This would probably have to be about five feet long. And once there were beads on it, it would be much heavier to handle.

I anticipate that the bamboo rod would sag rather quickly, or perhaps actually never remain straight.

I remain fairly convinced that the exposition suggesting this approach and task was either mistaken or misinterpreted the process. The whole thing could be due to a poor translation.



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"Can Hold Over 3lbs without breaking"
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
04/02/2023, 13:15:59

LOL - 8" barbecue skewers; 12" also available

https://www.amazon.com/DecorRack-Natural-Barbecue-Marshmallow-Roasting/dp/B07YM2583V/ref=asc_df_B07YM2583V/

I, too, would like to see some glassworker try this experiment.
Coat 'em in clay, see whether the glass burns them



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Re: "Can Hold Over 3lbs without breaking" -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
04/04/2023, 08:36:46

Note that it is recommended, when using barbecue skewers, that they be soaked in water first, to discourage the wood from toasting along with the meat and veggies.

Of course, in the context of beadmaking, soaking would just make the bamboo rods more likely to bend under the weight.



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As you said, we await the experiment ;^)
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