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Scottish Early Medieval Site: "When are glass beads from a Pictish site not Pictish?" edited again
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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
05/18/2021, 15:46:50

The recent discussion about Alaska Site beads being misidentified as pre-dating Columbus in a Daily Mail News article: "Tiny glass beads from Italy are uncovered in Alaska that pre-date Christopher Columbus' 1492 discovery of Americas by DECADES - re-writing history of European and US trading" made me recall reading this...

In 1958 on St. Ninian's Isle, Shetland Island, a schoolboy participating in archaeological excavations found an ancient 8th century medieval Pictish hoard in a wooden box. They noted collections of beads apparently related- however analysis revealed the origin and age.

By careful analysis- appearance of the beads, how they were made, surface analysis:type of glass, ingredients & color, and comparison with other similar beads, (and more) they were able to place a date range of 1600's to 1800's.

1st link a Blog from National Museums Scotland on Pictish Site, then 2nd link is a larger discussion on identifying Beads found in Scotland.

https://blog.nms.ac.uk/2016/12/01/glenmorangie-research-project-when-are-glass-beads-from-a-pictish-site-not-pictish/

"Seventh century or seventeenth century? Identifying glass beads from Scotland. Alice Blackwell and Susanna Kirk"

https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/catalogue/psas/vol_145/16PSAS145371_399.pdf



I found that one of my first posts (8/08/2015) to BCN was asking about Tong Molds and Marvered beads. I posted some of my Old Beads that look similar to some of the furnace mandrel wound & marvered beads found in Scotland and shown in some of the photos (found many other places, including North America).
Among other things I've learned the difference between Furnace Wound glass and Lamp Wound glass beads, and that some Old beads that are called Dutch may actually be German instead... The list of amendments to my previous bead information and beliefs is ongoing..!
It has been a great and fun learning journey for me thanks to the BCN Folks!
Obviously the relatively new area of Bead Research is vital in dispelling previously erroneous information and getting that amended information into print and general discussion and understanding. There are several Bead Research and bead related publications of note:

The Center for Bead Research, Peter Francis Jr.(deceased 2002):
http://www.thebeadsite.com/

The Society of Bead Researchers (1989), Karlis Karklins Editor, et al:
https://www.beadresearch.org/about-us/

Picard Bead Museum and Publications on Trade Beads:
http://www.picardbeads.com/pubs.html

Ornament Magazine (the Art and Craft of Personal Adornment)-Robert K. Liu & Carolyn Benesh. Great at blending Textile, Personal Adornment & Beads; personal adornment past and present. Informative Old Bead and Ethnic Jewelry presentations, documentation as well as presentation of latest Bead & Textile research. Book by Robert K. Liu "Collectible Beads" a great reference and beautiful bead photo documentation.
https://www.ornamentmagazine.org/
https://www.amazon.com/Collectible-Beads-Universal-Aesthetic-Beadwork/dp/0964102307

The Revised "History of Beads: From 100,000 BC to Present, Revised and Expanded Edition". by Lois Sherr Dubin:
https://www.amazon.com/History-Beads-Present-Revised-Expanded/dp/0810951746/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=History+of+beads&qid=1621460602&sr=8-2

Multiple reference works, and more relatively recently published Books and Articles by BCN members and others- too numerous to list here but please do so in the comments!

PLEASE ADD to my list as this is just an initial attempt which I'm sure is sorely lacking & overlooks much important information.

Some of My old marvered Beads first Post BCN 2015. https://imgur.com/a/UiSaJ#0

Later ~ 2019 I posted some old blue-gray aspeo beads in BCN that may be similar to the only striped bead in the first photo (mid lower left). It is difficult to say since the photo is so small, but may be similar and made in a similar fashion. (I cannot find my mulberry bead pics but there are some in BCN):

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Re-writing bead history.
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03/31/2021, 10:18:15



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Re: Re-writing bead history. -- Jerri P Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
05/10/2021, 21:36:06

In the most-recent Forum (the bi-annual newsletter of the Society of Bead Researchers), Elliot H. Blair, has composed a reply to the article discussed here.

It confirms what has been said already—that these are 17th C. a-speo beads, and cannot be from as early a time as the authors suggest.

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Hello all! 17th century trade bead necklace, possibly from Jamestown, Va.
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Posted by: SkyStone Post Reply
04/06/2021, 09:00:20


Hello all! My name is Mary and this is my first post.

I wondered if you good people could possibly give me some thoughts
on this piece I am purchasing. Would you consider this an unusual
piece in any way? It is reportedly from from Jamestown, Va. c 17th cen.

Any and all comments are welcome!

Thank you in advance,

Mary

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Unfortunately, probably not.
Re: Hello all! 17th century trade bead necklace, possibly from Jamestown, Va. -- SkyStone Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
04/08/2021, 14:23:39

These appear to be Bohemian beads from the late-19th/early-20th centuries.

They would be related to what are popularly called "Russian beads."

Although it is believed by some that glass beads were made at Jamestown, this does not appear to be a true story. As I understand it, they brought over an Italian glassmaker. But he (may have) proceeded to become a drunkard, and never produced much of anything.

The beads that would have gone to Jmestown at that time would mostly be plain drawn beads (perhaps dark blue, and perhaps other colors); and a-speo rounded glass beads of the "gooseberry" and similar types.

These are very different from the beads you show.

Jamey



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Interesting beads:
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Posted by: Patrick Post Reply
08/08/2005, 17:25:30

These came on a full strand of red white hearts,or overlay beads out of West Africa. The rest of the beads on the strand are normal. They are 12mm round x 6mm long.What did the bead maker do wrong,precisely ?
Patrick.

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a speo is a method not a bead type...
Re: Re: Re:Reply: Are they drawn or wound? -- Patrick Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
08/08/2005, 20:31:12

According to Karklins (cited previously), there are two common methods of heat rounding or "a speo". One, the bead with very sharp and sometimes jagged edges, from being chopped off the cane is placed on a spit and inserted into a "glory hole" in an oven where it is rotated and eventually removed to cool. The other method is: the beads are placed in a "frying pan" with a mix of ash and sand, then placed into furnace where the contents is stirred until the segments are sufficiently rounded. The reason is not always to get a rounded shape but in my opinion to "knock down" the sharp edges as to prevent cutting the cordage used in stringing these beads.
Also many "green/white/yellow hearts" are and were used by the Krobos and other African cultures in the decoration of powdered glass beads. I have witnessed many "Hengme", "Bodom" and "Akoso" types with decorations consisting of "melted green-hearts". I don't have any examples handy right now but I believe Carl can help here! If not there are many examples in the "search" section.
Thomas
P.S. the "Hengme" "Bodom" illustrated in thelink has older white hearts as the original dots in the decoration and newer white hearts as the repaired decoration.


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Re: a speo is a method not a bead type... -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
09/29/2020, 19:29:47

September 2020

Thomas' explanation was on the road to getting there.

The two methods he mentions are the a-speo and a-ferrata methods. A-speo beads are not pertinent here, so we can exclude any discussion of that skill-set.

The a-ferrata (or "iron pan method"), has been exploited for thousands of years, in the manufacture of small glass seedbeads. In all likelihood it was developed at South India, where Indo-Pacific beads were devised. This technique was effective for small beads, but not larger beads. For larger beads, in the Venetian industry, the a-speo methods were exploited (mainly in the 17th C.).

In modern times we are familiar with the term "hot-tumbled" for modern seedbeads. This refers to placing unfinished drawn beads (that have merely been reduced to segments) into a barrel-shaped iron container, turned onto an angle, and placed into a furnace—whereupon the container is rotated while being heated. Once the correct temperature is reached, the beads become softened and rounded.

The a-ferrata method is nothing more than the ancestor of hot-tumbling. The difference is that, formerly, the beads were placed in an open pan, over a furnace fire, and were stirred with a metal spatula. Initially, hot-tumbling was effective for making small seedbeads

Hot-tumbling was exploited at Venice, and may have been devised there. Note the diagram shown here from 1845. It appears the apparatus was refined enough that larger pieces of cane could be so-treated—devised in the 20th century at ca. 1920.

This advancement is what made the beads seen in our original question possible. And yet the process is not foolproof. It is possible that the beads might be allowed to become too hot. Or the drum was not rotated for long enough before the beads were deemed to be finished. And either of these situation might result in the collapsed beads we see in the present photo above.

The link posted here goes to a dialogue from 2006, in which methods for finishing drawn beads are discussed.

I also recommend the long article I composed for Beads (the SBR, Volume 16, 2004).

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=get&cG=4343834333&zu=3434373934&v=2&gV=0&p=

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Looking Back On The A-Speo Methods Of Drawn Beadmaking
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
04/26/2019, 14:35:47

I'm going to post links to past dialogues concerning the a-speo method(s) of finishing drawn glass beads, via Searches here. These are best read from the lowest entries, up, to see sequences, beginning from the main message in any thread. (The main message can be determined by viewing titles in answers, and/or seeing "View All"—which occurs only in a main message. And it is sometimes helpful to View All.

I have recently begun to hyphenate "a-speo" for English-language speakers, who do not quickly understand that this is an Italian phrase. It sometimes happens that people will say/think "this is a speo bead"—rather than "this is an a speo bead." Using the hyphen connects the words, and hopefully makes it easier and more-accurate. In Italian, "a" means "to" or "at." A "speo" is a spit—like a barbecue spit. A long, usually iron rod (of varying dimensions, depending on where and how the work progresses), and often having a slightly tapering free end (on a heat-proof handle). So "a speo" means "at the spit." Reading the dialogues, you will see there are also two alternate terms:
"a spedo," and "a spieo."

From 2008 to 2005:
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04/26/2019, 14:38:08


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04/26/2019, 14:40:19


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04/26/2019, 14:42:11


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Re: Looking Back On The A-Speo Methods Of Drawn Beadmaking Thanks JDA nice
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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
04/26/2019, 21:12:13

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Greetings from the far side of bead collecting!
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Just so you know, I made necklaces for Naomi Lindstrom for some thirty-five years.
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Re: Just so you know, I made necklaces for Naomi Lindstrom for some thirty-five years.
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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
04/25/2019, 18:55:36

Ah! So it was YOU (and some others that you trained) that did the pretty Macrame and closures..very nice. The Balance of the beads was very pleasing, and always just right, BTW.

Anyone that has been interviewed for a Feature or as a Resource/Source knows there is often no rhyme or reason, unfortunately, to what they latch onto VS leave out. I'm sure you have many wonderful memories of your long friendship and common love of Beads. It is sad that they so overlooked that important fact.

Hey did you ever get a chance to look at the grey-blue striped "gooseberry" beads I posted weeks ago to see if they were a-speo rounded/? I'm curious to see what you think- The post is on Pg.2 now.
Thanks, Anne

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Noting the eccentric specimens, I concur your striped beads are a-speo. See the new thread.
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Re: I concur your striped beads are a-speo. See the new thread. Thank You kindly!
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04/26/2019, 20:44:44

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would appreciate an ID on this bead
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06/06/2017, 18:32:46

I've had it for some time and have yet to see another one like it. Can anyone identify it? it's large, 20.6 mm in length and 22 mm in diameter. The red lines are only on one side. Any help would be much appreciated. thanks, Judy

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unusual color scheme but looks like typical 18-19th century a speo Venetian
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
04/26/2019, 14:52:40

The a-speo methods were most actively used in the 17th C., being exploited by the Paternostrieri Guild at Venice; and also by Dutch glassworkers who learned this approach from Venetian masters.

The technique fell out of fashion—perhaps when the Suppialume (Lampworkers Guild) became proficient at making wound and trailed-decorated lampwork beads.

Nevertheless, in the late 19th or early 20th Cs., Venetians returned to making heated and manipulated drawn beads "a la lucerna" ("at the lamp"). So one could say (and I have) that these are "late a-speo beads."

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Please help Date & Origin Info on Blue-Grey "Gooseberry" Beads/EDITED
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03/17/2019, 21:21:43

I am interested in finding out more about the Blue-Grey "Gooseberry" beads that I recently found again while unpacking after a move. Some of my bead strands that have predominantly beads from the late 1700's to the early 1800's will have a few well worn examples of these beads. Of course I know proximity on a strand with recognizable older beads in no way bestows them age or credibility,

I would love to know if they are Venetian, German, Dutch or ?, and what time Range to place them in, Also some info on how they were made, and finished, please.

1.) Who likely made them?
2.) Time Range Date of Manufacture?
3.) How were they made? (Drawn? and then what?)

I have and am acquainted with some of the earliest "Gooseberry" Beads, and realize these are probably not from that era. However they do have a special blue-grey glass color that I associate with some other early beads I have. The blue grey color can appear black unless well lit.

The white lines are covered by a surface layer of glass, though if worn enough this may not be apparent. I counted 27 white opaque lines on some, with over 30 on others, and saw sometimes gaps and some close spacing, even errors where there was distortion and lines bowed out. The lines are so close, in fact, it is difficult to count them casually.

EDIT: The "lines bowed out" I spoke of above look like those in Figure 8 "bead with distorted stripes" from Article included here (link below)-
"Beads: Journal of The Society of Bead Researchers", Vol 5, Article 6
1993
"The A Speo Method of Heat Rounding Drawn
Glass Beads and its Archaeological Manifestations
Karlis Karklins"

These appear to be drawn cane, pinched to a bead length, and then finished in some way I am unfamiliar with (I am not a glass maker). Could these be A Speo heat rounded beads?

It is striking to note that the inner core hole area of many of the beads is very irregular- even bumpy looking. I have tried to capture this in the photo album I am posting. Why would this be? Is it secondary to the finishing/heating process?

The ends, while usually well finished, can have residual Rough glass- either a blob or sharp edge that has not been removed in the finishing process, which I also show in this album.

The end stripes near the hole sometimes look as if they had been applied by hand, though this would seem impossible with the tiny size- even with the thought that drawing the cane will cause a great reduction in the size of a pattern and miniaturization. Is the tiny "dot" of "pooled" glass at the beginning/end of some of the white lines a result of being pinched?- This "dot" I associate with hand decorated beads, though this does not "make sense", obviously. See example in photo album.

Sizes typically range in the 6mm-14mm hole to hole range.

Please School Me!

Album Blue Grey "Gooseberry" Beads

Many of my reference books are still packed or in storage, so I appreciate your input, knowledge and help.

Thanks, Anne

EDIT: I want to include this as one of the Articles I read that may help in this matter:
https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1055&context=beads

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Re: From the BCN vault..../Thank You Joyce!
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03/18/2019, 01:44:09

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03/18/2019, 21:02:42

Joyce Thanks.

I edited my OP to include this article about A Speo which I think is worth consideration.

https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1055&context=beads

I have read the links, and did find them before. Thanks. It's a shame that some of the old photo links are too old in the BC.N Forum Vaults, but there is certainly a wealth of information in this Forum that I find wonderful and useful on many levels.

As I've said before, I know for the "O.B's" (Original Bead Forumites) that the often endless repetition must make you weary, even frustrated. However, take heed. For those of us that need guidance, help, information, we really do appreciate it very much.

I have learned a little about a lot over the years and look forward to now having the time in my semi-retirement to do more research, create more, and dig a little deeper.

One of the problems in learning is unlearning all the misinformation you learned to begin with. Beads are full of Myths. half-truths, mis-attributions, and exaggerations that have become part of the Culture, and repeated. We are very fortunate to live in a time period where scientific analysis, and dedicated analytical minds can pull from many sources and provide more accurate information. I have to stop calling my Dogon beads Dutch, lol...well, maybe a few are. Oh yeah, and the blue-grey beads, even though they have a layer of glass-not sure if you'd call that "submerged", so probably can't call these gooseberry's either.

Thanks, Anne

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