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Posted by: annemarie kogler Post Reply
05/18/2009, 07:29:41

real or fake? 10 x 14 mm said to be islamic or phenician, found in Mali

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This is an Islamic Period millefiori bead.
Re: Bead Id please -- annemarie kogler Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
05/18/2009, 16:43:08

Hello AnneMarie,

This is an Islamic Period bead with millefiori decoration, from the Middle East.

The millefiori process was not routinely exploited in the Phoenician Period. In fact, most Phoenician products rely almost entirely upon direct furnace-working (winding and trailing). The exception is that some beads and pendants have a preformed bicolored spiral (twisted) cane. This was probably the practical beginning of preparing preformed parts, that eventually led to the mosaic-glass approach, that ultimately became conventional millefiori and other mosaic-glass works.

In any event, since it has never been demonstrated that Roman Period beads come out of Mali, and since the millefiori technique is basically a Roman and Post-Roman technique, it would be unreasonable to think that a millefiori bead from W. Africa might be "Phoenician." These are suggestions made by people who do not understand glass history and technology, in order to make a sale.

Your bead can be seen in Callmer's book on Viking Period beads, dating from ca. CE 1000. Much later than the Phoenician and Roman Periods.

Jamey



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Thank you Jamey !
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Posted by: anneaustria Post Reply
05/19/2009, 00:42:23

would you say a price of about USD 80 is justified or a good deal?



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A good deal. You're welcome.
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
05/19/2009, 04:02:00



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Re: This is an Islamic Period millefiori bead. -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: alipersia Post Reply
05/19/2009, 12:58:06

dear jamey
as we see on this bead a fish and sun.could it be belong to roman
period? related to the mithraism symbols.becuse after islam it was forbiden to paint any human or animal face on beads and seal rings.plz let me know your idea.

ALI



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The eye of the beholder
Re: Re: This is an Islamic Period millefiori bead. -- alipersia Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
05/19/2009, 19:07:14

Dear Ali,

Where you see a "fish" and a "sun," I see two placement variations of the same cane--a cane that has an abstract central circle surrounded by rays/stripes. Understanding the genesis of millefiori design, I believe this pattern evolved out of one that was intended to resemble the polyp scars of fossil coral--a prized decorative stone in antiquity.

I do not believe these canes have representational figures embedded in them.

Nevertheless, I can demonstrate a number of times where people have suggested that entirely abstract random patterns were intended to be certain things. A Chinese bead comes to mind that the person was certain had "dragons" on it. We all know that a popular Venetian bead is said to have "a face," because it displays three strategic dots, that are easy to interpret as "eyes and a mouth."

People see what they want to see. But I would say this approaches being a Rohrschak test.

Jamey



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thanks jamey like other time
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Posted by: alipersia Post Reply
05/20/2009, 11:12:43



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Beautiful bead-great patina!
Re: Bead Id please -- annemarie kogler Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Carole Post Reply
05/18/2009, 17:41:34



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Daaaaang, that is beautifuuuuul.
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05/19/2009, 11:39:43



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Re: Bead Id please -- annemarie kogler Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Napoleone Post Reply
05/21/2009, 09:36:02

Hi Annemarie,
some nice photos of islamic beads of the same type can be seen in the book "Middle Eastern and Venetian Beads" by Augusto Panini. There is a photo of a single bead in fig.42, page 50, and many beads of same type in necklaces portraited at page 110 and 111. If you don't have the book, you can see the bead in picture nr.42 in Augusto's site: www.glass-beads.it
Ciao, Giorgio



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