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Some odd 8-sided "Russian" blue cane beads
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
05/16/2018, 17:07:07

These seem like old-timers, but I don't really know.

8 sides seems fairly uncommon.

The layers seem to vary from 3 to 5, instead of the more common light blue opal or cornflower blue core with a dark sapphire overlay.

Also, the layers are wobbly, thick/thin in some places.

The white layer seems to be deteriorated glass, not white glass.

The concave sides are distinctive.

I don't know what caused the matte finish - wear and ground burial? Grinding? Cat litter? Acid cleaning?

Thoughts?

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An example of the wobbly layering
Re: Some odd 8-sided "Russian" blue cane beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
05/16/2018, 17:14:25

These aren't newly-acquired beads, by the way. I bought them at least 15 and probably over 20 years ago.

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Méxican (?).
Re: Some odd 8-sided "Russian" blue cane beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
05/20/2018, 01:00:43

Hi Chris,

As I recall, in the late '80s/early '90s, someone was having copies of "Russian" beads made in México. When the people behind this project realized their beads were going to be misrepresented as "old trade beads," they continued production, but decided the interior base layers would always colorless/clear, to make the beads distinctive.

I think it's possible you have some of their "first edition" beads.

At The Bead Museum in Prescott, AZ, Gabrielle Liese had a nice selection of these beads, framed on the wall of the Museum's storage area. I think I have a photo of this in my archive. But these would have been the second generation beads (if my memory serves).

This would be my best guess.

I also saw a large collection of these Mexican "Russian" beads (and others) in a private collection in the Seattle area. At first I thought this was a seriously good collection—until I noticed the clear bases. I don't recall whether I was able to shoot any of these beads. I was shown them by a friend, who was helping the owner with identifications.

By the way, I also have two really ugly "chevron beads," also made in México, that I received from Michael Heidi. I don't know if these are from the same glassworkers, or another company. They do not copy any Venetian or conventional chevron beads. They are a great departure from the originals.

Be well. Jamey



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Jamey, Please show Ugly "chevron beads"
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Posted by: beadbox Post Reply
05/20/2018, 05:33:06

I am always interested in learning about chevron examples that I have not come across and that were made outside of Italy.

Thanks,
Matt



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Re: Ugly "chevron beads"
Re: Jamey, Please show Ugly "chevron beads" -- beadbox Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
05/20/2018, 17:50:42

Hello Matt,

I'll try to remember to shoot these beads the next time I drag out the rosetta beads. However, these are sooooooo different from any conventional chevron beads, the comparison is a stretch. I have one large ellipsoidal bead, and a piece of cane that is like a disk bead.

Be well. Jamey



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European, possibly late 18th, early 19th century
Re: Some odd 8-sided "Russian" blue cane beads -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
05/20/2018, 11:42:32

I dug out the strand collected by Michael Heide, described in my notes to the blog post on Russians. In the blog post I compare them to the beads found in the Diakhite burial jars in Senegal (a faceted opaque blue similar in color to the interior layers of the Heide beads).

The Heide beads are 7-sided, but otherwise correspond well with the calcification and layered glass colors displayed by the 8-sided beads.

Re-inspecting the 8-sided beads with a loupe and penlight, a couple of them display an outside layer of the opaque "Dutch"/"Copen"/cornflower blue, a highly unusual occurrence, I think.

I'm familiar with the Mexican beads, there is no way the 8-sided multi-layered beads are from that production. Their comparatively less skilled cane drawing, and their calcification, seems more likely to possibly fit them into the category of the mysterious "loquis" beads used in the slave trade, of which I suspect the Heide beads may also be an example.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxV1r8SUXxUwTmROeXpieER4UW8/view

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Similar 7-sided layered beads found in St. Eustatius, Netherlands Antilles
Re: European, possibly late 18th, early 19th century -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
05/20/2018, 11:56:31

per Karlis's article and pictures in Vol. 1, 1989 issue of Beads: Journal...

https://surface.syr.edu/beads/vol1/iss1/



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Not similar
Re: Similar 7-sided layered beads found in St. Eustatius, Netherlands Antilles -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: hans06 Post Reply
05/20/2018, 14:17:31

Your beads are drawn, the Statia beads are wound, marvered and much bigger!

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Take another look at Karlis's article, Hans. There are indeed drawn faceted beads.
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05/20/2018, 14:41:04



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Re: "Slave Trade"
Re: European, possibly late 18th, early 19th century -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
05/20/2018, 18:01:34

I suspect it is unlikely that "Russian" beads were used in the slave trade. They are from too late in time to be such a commodity. At best (or worst), they would have been at the end of that unfortunate phenomenon.

By the way, how did you happen to acquire a strand of "Russian" beads from the Summerfield Collection?

JDA.



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I bought three strands from him.
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
05/20/2018, 18:38:48



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British slave trade banned in 1807, but of course the US trade continued
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
05/21/2018, 09:43:07

...and slave ownership was not banned in the British Empire until 1833.
So, yes, there could be overlap between the early production of cut cane glass beads and the late slave trade.

I'd still like to know more about the "loquis" beads cited by the Oppers in their article on the Diakhite burial beads.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxV1r8SUXxUwTmROeXpieER4UW8/view



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"Russians" and Slaves
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Posted by: Karlis Post Reply
05/23/2018, 21:14:11

Blue "Russian" beads have been found at a number of slave sites in the SErn US. Whether they accompanied slaves from Africa or were acquired here is uncertain. Several varieties certainly appear on Sheet no. 3 of the 1863 Levin collection which is marked: "Beads used in the African Trade, for slaves."



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Re: "Russians" and Slaves
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
05/25/2018, 10:17:29

Who wrote those designations, and when? This is information that has been called into question. (Not by me.) JDA.



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Re: Re: "Russians" and Slaves
Re: Re: "Russians" and Slaves -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Karlis Post Reply
05/25/2018, 14:58:15

The designation is handwritten on the card. As the same designation is written in the same handwriting on cards with the same inscription held by different institutions, it is likely they were penned by whoever prepared all the Levin Co. cards in the 1850s-1860s rather than someone at a museum at a later date. They all appear to be presentation pieces, especially the ones mounted in boxes. Since Levin was a long-time dealer in African trade beads, one would think the attributions hold some validity. But certainly the beads could have been used to barter for other things at different times in different locations.



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Loquis
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
05/25/2018, 19:45:34

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Re: European, possibly late 18th, early 19th century
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Posted by: JP Post Reply
05/20/2018, 21:47:32

They look to me to be old Bohemian beads mid to late 1800s
This type of calcification is not uncommon in" Russian blue" found in Africa, specially in Ghana where they are often unearthed around the Cape coast area, a trading fort in the 1600s that was first Portuguese, then Dutch and finally British.
JP



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Thanks, JP, for the explanation about Ghana beads calcification.
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
05/21/2018, 10:17:23

The string of "Dutch" blue beads pictured in the jar in the Opper article about the Diakhite jars are more rounded in their faceting - could these be the late-89th/early 19th century "loquis" beads used in the slave trade?

The Heidi beads incorporate a transparent blue as well as the "Dutch" blue layers, and have more casual faceting just on the ends.
The appearance of similar beads not only in Ghana but Diakhite, Senegal and the Netherlands Antilles still seems to be something worth considering with respect to the use of these beads in the slave trade.



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Re: Thanks, JP, for the explanation about Ghana beads calcification.
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Posted by: JP Post Reply
05/21/2018, 21:07:55

It is very possible that these type of beads were made in an earlier time, but so far the earliest official dating is 1830. I am not a bead researcher, but more of a reporter.
JP



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That's from the labeled samples shown in Perlen Aus Gablonz, yes?.
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05/21/2018, 21:41:06



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Picards have a pic of the Mexican "Russian" beads
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
05/20/2018, 20:26:43

Copy of "Russian blue" made in Mexico by Henry Merle. Circa 1980s.
On top is a drawn cane showing the ongoing process of making these beads.
Bellow are Henry Merle samples of shapes and sizes. All are 7-sided simple tubing
except the teal color bead in center which is compound.
Diameter size from: 5.5 to 27mm.
Longest bead: 55.5 x 14mm

http://www.picardbeads.com/exhibit11/exhibit/exru87.html

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