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Posted by: Timbuk-2 Post Reply
01/08/2017, 17:34:20

Since we paying Asia a visit, we might want to travel some 3000 miles westwards. From Borneo and the Java-Sea to Gujarat in West - the Runn of Kachchhch to be more precise. Only another 25 miles North-West of India's Carneol/Quartz-center Cambay (actually not the best of descriptions, I could-have, should-have come up with) lies the little village of Lothal, a site of great importance during the HARRAPA-Culture. The description as INDUS CULTURE, is an alternative name for one of the earliest cities known to architecture. It flourished during the Indian bronze-age, 5.000 years ago - roughly 3000 - 2000 BC.

Most of you will know at least one product of a civilisation that spread out through Afghanistan, Pakistan and parts of India.

"Etched Agates" is the name of the product, widely used by Western collectors - wrong say those with a better understanding of the technique engaged in the process.

It was during my second visit - of three - that I made the following shots. One of them showing a site that has been involved in the process.

The "bead" - actually a cabochon - had been bought in Cambay the following day (in close vincinity of Lothal - back in 2006/7). Of course the writing is not Indus-related by any means, as is clearly visible, but is nevertheless a riddle, since no Muslim has been able to read the words to this day.

The whitish building is the little local museum!

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Posted by: ali persia Post Reply
01/09/2017, 05:02:06

Hello
It is nice piece of carnelian. I can see it is written Hussein Shahid.
I guess it has been belong to Shiea people. If u send me better pic in private I can read it better.
Good luck friend
ALI



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"ETCHED" CABOCHON
Re: Re: HARRAPAN "ETCHING" SITE -- ali persia Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Timbuk-2 Post Reply
01/09/2017, 11:39:39

Bismillah, Ali!
So you are from Iran, if I may ask?

From what city?

I know Teheran, Isfahan and Meshed - from three visits in the past. Especially Meshed (or Mashad) was rather impressive. Not only for the lovely Turquise they have - also for the impressive mosque. But also the Chorasan area is lovely. Any hint, where to look for ancient beads? When asking around in Teheran I quickly had the "VEVAK" asking me questions (...)!

I add two bigger photos of the "etched cabochon" - a darker and a lighter one - hoping to enable you to read and translate the text into English. I literally asked any Muslim I knew - even posted the piece on youtuve sites that dealt with "Arabian languages" - nothing...! Nobody knew.

Since the piece is obviously old (though I am not certain and not convinced it is "real old" [=pre-Muslim]) it might be an old language, one that is no longer in use. Since the writing looks very much "arabic" (for somebody like me, not really familiar with your letters, at least), the piece should be from some place in the Middle East, logic dictates.

But why found in Lothal? What has Harappa and what has India/Pakistan to do with it, I wonder.

The size is 15x15x4mm.



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"ETCHED" CABOCHON (two photos)
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Posted by: Timbuk-2 Post Reply
01/09/2017, 12:06:34

The missing pics - sorry!

Hopefully easier for you to read and translate, Ali!

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3000 - 5000 year old beadmaking site in LOTHAL (Harappan port-town)
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Posted by: Timbuk-2 Post Reply
01/09/2017, 12:21:40

PS
Unable to get both pics any bigger - wonder why, since I went to the max possible, according to forum(size)-limitations and PS.

Pity - was trying to make it an easier read for everybody, but...?!

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ca. 4000 year old Harrapan port (Lothal)
Re: 3000 - 5000 year old beadmaking site in LOTHAL (Harappan port-town) -- Timbuk-2 Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Timbuk-2 Post Reply
01/09/2017, 12:34:32

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Historic marker ("The Dock")
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Posted by: Timbuk-2 Post Reply
01/09/2017, 12:38:46

Hopefully readable.

PS
Check next post with better photos!

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HARAPPAN dock-marker finally readable!
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Posted by: Timbuk-2 Post Reply
01/09/2017, 12:57:47

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My wife vomiting in a 5000 year old well
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Posted by: Timbuk-2 Post Reply
01/09/2017, 13:11:32

...nah! I'm kidding!

"Bharat-the-holy" - pic2

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"Beadmaker's Kiln"
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
01/09/2017, 23:02:33

Easier to read now.
Always edit for web using resolution of 72.
Changed res. from 180 to 72.
Changed width from 142 pixels wide to 800.
Sharpened, increased contrast.
Voila!
138k image, well below forum requirements.

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You are proof, woman are....
Re: "Beadmaker's Kiln" -- Joyce Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Timbuk-2 Post Reply
01/10/2017, 08:49:56

...clearly the better HANDYMAN!

Thanks for your service and instructions!

PHOTO:
Me and my wife on our way home to watch "Jerry" and a live-stream of Benny Hinn!

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Posted by: ali persia Post Reply
01/10/2017, 09:45:26

Hi Timbuk
If you give me a day I will show pic to my friend who has some of these carnelions also.and I will ask his idea and send you some of his stones pic.shiraz was center for old beads but not any more.all now mostly fakes or normal agates.not any more nice glass ceramic beads.if you visite shiraz some time I can help you .to see some
Cheers
Ali



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ETCHED
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Posted by: Timbuk-2 Post Reply
01/10/2017, 11:28:05

That would be great, Ali - thanks a lot (see private post)!



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Posted by: alipersia Post Reply
01/11/2017, 00:53:27

hi Timbuk
here is pics of my friend agates.
we think as it seems your piece is a early 20 century etched carnelion. and that has been belong to shiea people from gujerat.we can see word shahid and hussein.it is normal for shiea people to use these words like.ya hussein shahid.hussein grandson of prophet and shahid means martyred.
if we were able to see it from close it was easier to say.
cheers
Ali

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ETCHED en masse
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Posted by: Timbuk-2 Post Reply
01/15/2017, 16:14:00

Bismillah Talib Ersia,
thanks for the photo, Habibi!

Are you saying my cabochon falls into the same category than all those pieces on your photo? Same period? Same etching? Same writing? Simelar (religolous) lyrics?

Seems my piece is not as rare, as I was hoping it would be. Any idea how much the pieces on your photo - and possibly mine - might be worth (in Ruhollah-Rial)?

Who wears such pieces? Both, men and woman? Religious folks?

Any idea where such pieces were made and when?

In case you are posting from the Islamic Republic of Iran and possibly Shiraz: Do you have any official antique stores in town? Where are such pieces and possibly beads traded? In Antique Stores, the Souk or strictly "under the table"? How about Teheran? Any difference to your city - beadwise?



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