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Seed beads on spools
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Posted by: thejadedogdesigns Post Reply
06/07/2018, 12:32:17

I need some help with more info on this spool of beads I bought. I got some very superficial info when I bought them from Bovis Bead Company back in 2007 (?), but I'd like some more concrete info, like for sure where they were made and their intended use, etc. This spool has a mark on it and the towns inscribed "Chauny-Perigueux." The other spool I purchased doesn't have the same markings, in fact it has none.

Thanks in advance!
:) Darcy

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Re: Seed beads on spools
Re: Seed beads on spools -- thejadedogdesigns Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Karlis Post Reply
06/07/2018, 23:29:22

Looks like these big spools were used in the production of flowers, leaves, embroidery, passementerie, etc., between the wars at the Perlerie in the town. Definitely an interesting relic of that industry which I don't think anyone has really studies or recorded. A wonderful find.

Here is a site that discusses the Perlerie. It is in French but you can Google translate:

https://prisons-cherche-midi-mauzac.com/des-prisons/quand-lusine-de-la-perlerie-servait-dannexe-a-la-prison-militaire-de-paris-repliee-a-mauzac-7505

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Posted by: homj Post Reply
06/11/2018, 23:12:37

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interested to clarify Rousselet beads
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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
08/25/2022, 07:40:13

up to now i may have been confused about Rousselet lampwork glass and galalith beads and necklaces, etc. assuming if not Venetian, then they must be Bohemian/Czech, or from German workshops relocated from Czech, or perhaps french.
or is it that he often chose unusual shapes from existing workshops.
As I see more examples it appears that many distinctive types, colours or complex lampwork shapes are attributed to Rousselet and are displayed in vintage items online, some with high price-tags.
Many are threaded on skinny brass foxtail chain, many have fat oval screw clasps bearing the wording "made in France". i know there was/is a shop in Paris that has or had his jewellery.
Years ago Gabrielle Liese - founder of the Bead Museum, Arizona, identified some loose beads in my historic collection as Rousselet.
Now I am aware that my knowledge of his work is very sketchy and i need to acquire more evidence and less guesswork.
there is an online FB group of Rousselet collectors which shows examples but I hope to find lots more research and documentary proof of the sources.



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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
08/28/2022, 01:52:28


thank you to Karlis for the link to the article which i will hope to find among the back issues of the SBR publications...

dear Jamey i agree-
even though various online FB messages and images are from enthusiasts rather than scholars, its valuable to be prompted to look for more evidence about the beads and components' origins, more than only the similarities of taste and style. the lettering on the clasps "made in France" is one factor to start with... but the most fancy shaped glass lampwork beads may have been made in France using Venetian coloured glass canes ?
Are there other ways to distinguish german-made lampwork beads of the mid-20th C, or japanese?



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Posted by: homj Post Reply
08/28/2022, 02:42:12

Louis Rousselet great grand-daughter owns all the archives of the company. She's writing a book about Louis Rouusselet 's work
So now, everyone will know more soon.

Please look for our 2011,2012 Rousselet posts, also consult an another article in 1997 BEADS: Imitation pearls in France" with pics of Rousselet's workshops.

No , Stephany, the glass used by Rousselet was not venetian but made by the french factory Gilbert-Martin. Some time ago I purchased from Rousselet's grandson tools, equipment , glass from his grandfather workshop.

Pics from 2012:

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cone-shaped decorated beads found among african trade bead strands
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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
10/10/2020, 08:15:38

not a shape i easily identify as Venetian... while Czech beads were often made in varied shapes to be used in necklace patterns, the swirly lines appear rather random with the exception of the cone with a wavy belt...
has anyone seen similar? i know Kiffa types of conical shape which may have been built up around such a cone shaped bead as a base...?

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Re: cone-shaped decorated beads found among african trade bead strands
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Posted by: homj Post Reply
10/11/2020, 12:02:45

Bought in Mauritania 20 years ago.

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Re: Cone-Shaped Beads
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
10/11/2020, 12:50:32

Hi Mary-Jo !

Do you suggest that the cone bead you show is also a muraqad? Or it is something else?

Lots of love, Jamey



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Posted by: homj Post Reply
10/11/2020, 13:50:23

Hello Jamey, I found it in a jar full of muraqad sold by a mauritanian woman at the market. So, it could be a mouraqad? New research needed!



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new search concerning the ancestors of the sample cards we know today
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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
05/17/2020, 03:34:21

dear everyone
during my personal lockdown i'm compiling a lot more "bead information" that i hope to share sometime soon-
a current question:
where/what are the earliest known bead sample cards ? presumably Venetian? are there any known much before the end of the 19th century?



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Carole's discussion of a late 18th century beaded urn pedestal
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
05/22/2020, 11:50:19

This thread also mentions the Barbari card and has a picture of part of it.

So perhaps the ca. 1760 pedestal can be considered a dated "sample card" of sorts?

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=95611&gV=0&aO=1


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Re: Carole's discussion of a late 18th century beaded urn pedestal
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Posted by: homj Post Reply
05/24/2020, 23:28:01

From an early sample card?

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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
05/25/2020, 02:06:56

interesting- the string includes 21 grey "job's tears" seeds that appear to have been threaded in-between the gorgeous Venetian glass beads to prevent damage perhaps- did you add them or did you get the strand as shown?



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Posted by: homj Post Reply
05/25/2020, 05:40:43

I got the strand as shown. It was really inexpensive.



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brittany talisman Part 2
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Posted by: petrusgeorgius Post Reply
07/27/2019, 12:30:58

It is quite certainly a traditional group of beads , used until the 19 th century in the Morbihan region , in french Brittany . It was worn during a period of nine days , for curing eye disease .
Same ensemble existed , in modern glass beads , four clear and one black , in the middle of 20 th century .
I bought it at a flea market , as it is , circa 2006 and it took me almost ten years to identify it .

ref. : Lionel Bonnemère and Gustave de Clomadeuc .

apparented to the theme of " gougad - patereu " in Morbihan , Brittany , France .



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Posted by: homj Post Reply
07/27/2019, 23:06:11

Please see my private reply.



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Re: Gougad-Pateraenneu Necklace
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
07/28/2019, 01:19:11

In 1999/2000 when I was arranging beads to be placed into the Bead Timeline for the Bead Museum DC, specimens were mostly single or small groups. But sometimes I created small arrangements to give an impression of how ensembles of beads may have appeared. In one instance, I placed an entire necklace—because I regarded it as an impressive and important piece.

This was from the collection of James Lankton, who did not know its identity nor purpose—though I recognized it from the writings of Horace Beck. Here's a photo of this Gougad-Pateraenneu; that you can also see in Lankton's book about the ancient portion of the Timeline exhibit, A Bead Timeline, Vol. I: Prehistory to 1200 CE (2003).

There was also an informative monograph by Howard and Marie-José Opper: "Gougad-Pateraenneu: Old Talisman Necklaces from Brittany, France." The Bead Society of Greater Washington Monograph Series 1. 1993.

Jamey

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Posted by: homj Post Reply
07/28/2019, 01:39:14

Thanks Jamey. I also wrote a new article published by the Bead society of Great Britain: journal 129 Autumn/ Winter 2018/2019. With photographs.



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Just for fun - lampwork drums
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Posted by: lindabd Post Reply
03/10/2020, 11:02:31

Fancy gilt brass clasp

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03/14/2020, 11:52:24


Maison Gripoix. Paris France

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silver inlay ebony beads
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Posted by: cn Post Reply
07/26/2022, 15:37:53

Can anyone identify these beads?
Carved ebony wood with tiny fine silver or brass wire inlay. the inlay is continuous u-shape. Like a snake.

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Posted by: homj Post Reply
08/26/2022, 23:23:12

These beads come from Mauritania. The technique of inlaying silver in wood is called "marsus" and the necklace "glada mersusa." Rosanna is absolutely right, wood is not ebony but Dalgerdia melanoxylion which grows in Mauritania as well as in neighbouring countries Senegal, Mali.



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Bakelite and Faturan Beads in 1922 - 1923
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
07/26/2021, 11:27:45

I recently made the acquaintance of another bead enthusiast who collects information about Faturan- one of the earliest phenolic resin materials that may have been commercialized as early as Bakelite (first commercialized in 1910). A notice in the US Patent Office Official Gazette in 1926 shows a request for copyright of "Faturan" that claims use "since about 1909" - a provocative claim.

My contact has found some fascinating info, including several items from 1923, showing Bakelite and Faturan beads.

The first picture shows a 1923 window display in the famous Bamberger department store building in Newark, NJ. Text below the photo says in part, "The unusual colors, with their delicate hues and striking resemblance to the actual jems [sic] themselves, result in an ever increasing demand for Bakelite Jewelry."

The second item is an ad from a 1923 German newspaper (sorry, I don't have the exact reference) showing that both Bakelite and Faturan were being made into beads near Hamburg, Germany. Other information gathered by my new contact shows that Faturan beads were being imported into the US in 1922 by the Royal Jewelry Mfg. Co., New York.

These items show clearly that Bakelite and Faturan beads were commercial items in the early 1920s. Hopefully this information is helpful to people who have phenolic resin beads and are trying to date them. I also hope to dispel the mistaken idea, mentioned a few times on this forum, that there are no such things as Bakelite beads.

I am continuing my search for information about the history of phenolic beads since they may have been in circulation in the 1910s as well - I just can't prove it yet!

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Re: Bakelite and Faturan Beads in 1922 - 1923
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Posted by: homj Post Reply
07/27/2021, 12:06:13

Bravo Rosanna!
Claim for Faturan mark was filed in Berlin on May 18, 1909 and registered on April 23,1910



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Re: Bakelite and Faturan Beads in 1922 - 1923
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Posted by: homj Post Reply
07/27/2021, 12:06:45

Bravo Rosanna!
Claim for Faturan mark was filed in Berlin on May 18, 1909 and registered on April 23,1910



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A bead exhibit in Paris, May 2 - 9, 2019
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04/24/2019, 21:05:50

Guy Maurette and márcia de Castro
Collection of ancient pearls
75002-Paris
06 87 14 05 52
guy.maurette@orange.fr

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Re: A bead exhibit in Paris, May 2 - 9, 2019
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Posted by: homj Post Reply
04/28/2019, 11:42:38

Such a wonderful array of ancient beads, arranged with such taste, well worth a visit if you are in Paris



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Bead Identification
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
04/24/2020, 12:30:39

I was asked to identify these beads this past week. I gave the owner my opinions. But, frankly, it amounts to a lot of "I don't know for sure." I said I would post them and see whether anyone recognized the beads—and I'll pass opinions back. They were supposedly collected some thirty years ago. So they are not new/recent products.

Ideally, I would like to hear from anyone who thinks he/she RECOGNIZES the beads, or can make a comparison that is informative.

I know what I think. What do you think?

Jamey

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Another suggestion
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
05/03/2020, 15:52:20

Maybe this is obvious - but I suggest that anyone with beads that need ID be asked to please send a couple to someone who can take high quality photos and/or to someone who can examine them in person. It takes a bit of time and postage, but it solves so many issues (and arguments). For international requests, maybe a person in the home country would make themselves available to expedite the process.

Personally I found the photos for this ID request to be inadequate to the task.

Even with better photos, there is often a difference of opinion, and that is a welcome part of BCN each and every time it occurs - IMHO of course!

Note: I am willing to take photos and/or post them on BCN for anyone who can't do so themselves. You can contact me through the BCN message feature. All I ask is that you pay the postage both ways and I'd be happy to help. Or if just a photo that you can't reduce, I will fix that too. I have helped a number of US and international bead folks already and it is a pleasure to share my bead interests with others.

The photo shows one of the beads send to me by a person who wanted to find out if it was Bakelite. It's not - can you guess what it's made of? (sorry for the topic diversion...)

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Posted by: homj Post Reply
05/04/2020, 22:11:46

It is Dank the aromatic fruit of the detarium microcarpum The pit is used to make scented paste for beads in Mali, Mauritania, Senegal.



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Posted by: homj Post Reply
05/04/2020, 22:44:29

Yellow beads from mali, red beads from Mauritania, black beads from Senegal.

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It's made of dyed horn
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
05/04/2020, 23:59:40

The owner had tried to ID it by burning and sanding off various spots on the surface, making it look rather gnarly. The untouched beads had smoother surfaces and a uniform color. This is the bead he sent me though. I fractured it and observed the pale fibrous structure of horn in the interior. Hot pin tests gave the typical burning keratin odor.
The owner had a large strand of these and so could spare one.
I’ve seen other horn beads mis-repped as phenolic resin, and have bought some so I could examine them, so this bead didn’t surprise me. Some horn beads are very nice and shaped like old phenolic beads. I’ll show some photos tomorrow.



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Posted by: homj Post Reply
05/05/2020, 02:25:06

Amazing! It looks really like a dried dank fruit. can you post pic of the interior?



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