Posted by: Carole Morris Post Reply
08/19/2013, 09:29:58
More combed/feathered ovals, a couple of excellent black & white striped a speo beads, some more good seed beads, and a few mother-of-pearl and gemstone pieces.
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Posted by: Carole Morris Post Reply
08/19/2013, 09:31:22
Lots more seed beads and some gemstone inlays.
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Posted by: waneeho Post Reply
08/19/2013, 10:57:13
Carole It is really great to see these beads on a datable object. The 1760 date is fascinating - I have been thinking of those types of beads as late 1800's at the oldest. Thanks very much for sharing the photos.
Paul
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Posted by: Carole Morris Post Reply
08/19/2013, 11:54:11
Hi Paul I do enjoy finding beads in their original context and pushing dates back, because there are so many beads out there which MUST have come from the 1600's, 1700's etc which are other than chevrons and seed beads, but it's a task finding the evidence and pinning it down. These combed/feathered beads are not the classic blue or pink on white type - and on the urn there are different colour variations as well, many with extra lines encircling the bead at each end, but these are earlier versions of the classics we know, and I believe some of those classics are also early, but in their "African trade bead' context they are not particularly dateable. We have dateable sample cards, of course, but I've not come across any earlier than about 1815. Cheers
Carole
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
08/19/2013, 11:03:21
Carole,
My thanks as well - I recently have been interested in what the Venetians were producing before the "hey-days" of the late 1800's to early 1900's (other than chevrons and other drawn beads), and this is new important data. We all probably have lamp work fancy beads in our collections from the era before the mid to late 1800's, but it's been very difficult to identify them.
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Posted by: Carole Morris Post Reply
08/19/2013, 11:57:35
Hi Rosanna Me too. I am trying to do this all the time, as 18th and 19th century European glass beads are one of my specialisms, especially when they were used in English lace bobbin spangles, and often these can be dated to within 20-30 years, some from the end of the 18th throughout the 19th century. The van Selow pieces are so useful, and I have another of his creations in my archive to process at some point and add to the mix. Cheers
Carole
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
08/20/2013, 17:53:18
is there any chance you would show us some of the 'lace bobbin'beads with the corresp. dates you managed to determin?
martine
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Posted by: Carole Morris Post Reply
08/21/2013, 08:10:48
Hi Martine Yes, of course. Here's one for you. A white glass Venetian bead decorated with yellow flowers and green leaves in three rows around the bead. It is on a lace spangle which I believe is still attached to the same bobbin it originally started out life with between about 1810-1830. The bobbin is a fruitwood bobbin inlaid with boxwood and very finely turned. It was made by a man we know also made inscribed bone bobbins with dates, hence we know he made bobbins between these dates. This exact bead is found on the Benedetto Barbaria bead sample card dated to at least as early as 1815 (it is in the Technisches Museum, Vienna), so the bead, the bobbin and the sample card are all singing from the same songsheet! Cheers
Carole
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
08/21/2013, 15:21:00
Thank you Carole. What a great feel it is when all pieces fall into place. Very interesting. It is only very recently that I got to know through BCN about these lace bobbin beads. I never saw that before and wonder whether it was only a tradition in the UK. Belgium had/has quite a strong lace tradition but I can't remember ever seeing beads on the bobbins.
martine
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Posted by: Carole Morris Post Reply
08/22/2013, 06:13:54
Hi Martine You won't find spangles on any type of bobbin except the East Midlands English type. There are even English bobbins which don't use them - neither South Buckinghamshire types, nor Downtons, Malmesburys or Honitons have them. The spangle was almost certainly invented from c.1760's onwards in England as an anti-swivelling device to prevent previously unspangled types of bobbins overtwisting (or untwisting) and spoiling thread which was now machine-spun instead of hand-spun. The entire question of when spangles were invented is bound up in the introduction of machine-spun threads in the English Industrial Revolution. They also act as an added weight (on slim lightweight English bobbins) to keep the threads straight and under tension. Although historically most of the beads used in them were made in the usual European glass beadmaking centres of Venice, Bohemia, France, etc., many others were actually made in England itself. Carole
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08/22/2013, 06:21:47
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08/22/2013, 06:22:00
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Posted by: Beadyeyed Post Reply
08/19/2013, 11:20:44
...now I know what he did in the workshop. Must've been a fun place to work!
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Posted by: Carole Morris Post Reply
08/19/2013, 11:59:03
Tabletops were apparently the most commonly made van Selow pieces. The urn (and another very special piece I have images of) are the exceptions to the usual. Cheers
Carole
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08/19/2013, 17:06:07
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Posted by: Carole Post Reply
08/22/2013, 11:43:41
You are an encyclopedia of curiosities Carole! This photo evoked memories of a sofa I saw at the Tokapi Museum in Istanbul years ago. It was adorned with 12,000 pearls; I would prefer to own your specimen tho! I immediately gravitated to the large blue beads around the base. I bought several years ago when they were commonly referred to as Dutch Dogon beads. Peter Francis later told they are not Dutch. Where do you think these beads were manufactured? Which brings me to the question of what do Dutch beads look like? Dubin's book made scant mention of Dutch beadmaking. Can anyone in this wonderful forum offer any information on the latest on Dutch beads? Thank you! Carole T.
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