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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
04/13/2016, 03:53:21

These arrived the other day. One bead chipped, another fractured. The graduated bead necklace was perfect before the seller mishandled it with poor packaging. I'm devastated. The damage is to the 2 largest beads.

I'm hoping to locate replacements beads. Does anyone know origin and age of the beads? I have a feeling this might be an impossible challenge.

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is 'repair' possible?
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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
04/13/2016, 05:18:25

Oh, and my other question: Is it possible to stabilize fractures? With superglue or something?

One bead is chipped, and the other has a large shallow impact fracture that will fall off eventually.

I think the shards are a lost cause, so I'll just take the sharp edge off the chip. How should I stabilize the chip?



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Re: is 'repair' possible?
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Posted by: frank Post Reply
04/13/2016, 05:54:25

Super glue is not appropriate. Museum conservators and many gemstone cutters use Hxtal which while being expensive and demanding relative exactitude does a good job in matching the glass. Other epoxies are also commonly used such as Hughs 330 epoxy. Repolishing would likely be required as well. A shame more care was not taken.



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be careful...
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
04/13/2016, 07:02:23

Foil beads like these are vulnerable because the top layer of glass easily comes off of the thin layer of metal foil below it. So I'd be careful if attempting to sand anything smooth or polish it, more damage can happen.



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Repair technique
Re: Re: is 'repair' possible? -- frank Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
04/13/2016, 09:32:20

Recently I did a bit of web research about repairing lead crystal, and evidently it can be done.

Thank you, Frank, for the info on what adhesives to use. Have you any experience with the UV-cured adhesives?

And what about this glass repair epoxy:

http://www.amazon.com/PC-Products-PC-Clear-Adhesive-Syringe/dp/B008DZ19WC/

Good ol' Loctite glass glue works, too - I've used it for synthetic sapphire joins as well as glass.


Related link: http://www.amazon.com/PC-Products-PC-Clear-Adhesive-Syringe/dp/B008DZ19WC/
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auto glass crack repair?
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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
04/13/2016, 11:49:10

I've heard about crack repair for automobile windshields. The fractured bead might benefit from something like that. How is glue forced into the crack though? If I took a bead to one of the local window shops I wonder how they would react?

Someone elsewhere suggested clear nail polish for the chipped area for stabilization. It would be removable if necessary. Yea or nay?

I was elated to win the ebay auction. It somehow was overlooked by the usual fierce bidders for foiled beads because main keywords were absent. It is my first win for foiled beads after losing dozens and dozens of times. The joy evaporated upon seeing shards in the box. I bought the necklace to wear. Now it's just another bag of beads waiting for repair.

And the dilemma, send them back or keep them anyway and try to deal with the seller? I know you've been there. Double punishment... have them arrive damaged and then have to send back the parts. And it could have easily been avoided. Of course I'm keeping them, but now the strand is too short.



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Re: bead ID please, foil beads -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
04/13/2016, 14:03:46


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Re: Re: bead ID please, foil beads -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
04/13/2016, 14:10:03

there are at least 10 more similar on the bay



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yes, I'm more familiar with those. Looked through the Sick bead cards, no find crumb foil
Re: Re: bead ID please, foil beads -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
04/13/2016, 19:25:26

Thanks. I see lively auctions for that type V foil bead especially opalescent colors. I have a strand from thrift store, needs a replacement bead.

These crumb foils, I don't know. Any ideas? Venice again? Somewhere else? I don't find them in the Sick Collection photos. Maybe newer? 1950s? 60s?

check out eBay item number: 371567693434

these might be different but they seem very popular

I haven't bought beads for 3 years... except a few thrift finds.



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Re: yes, I'm more familiar with those. Looked through the Sick bead cards, no find crumb foil -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
04/13/2016, 19:46:37

here's the photo. I lost my entire paragraph last time. I have problems with this site.

These aren't mine, but is an example. Again, I don't know the origin, but I see the popularity.

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could these be japanese as they are all the same size?
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Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
04/13/2016, 22:56:21



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We think my cylinders are Venetian, the ovals are Japanese
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04/15/2016, 07:26:16



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Similar Japanese foils
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Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
04/14/2016, 06:44:45

Did you check the bead holes? Are they perfectly clean or is there some residual bead separator.
If there is I would say they are Japanese.

Here are some Japanese foil mid 1900's.

Unfortunately I see lots of Japanese and Czech foil beads being sold as Venetian all the time.

Wayne

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I love seeing the tags, thanks
Re: Similar Japanese foils -- beadweyr Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
04/14/2016, 11:42:48

I wonder, if bidders were told they are Japanese beads would the result be the same? I was surprised at the auction results for the long strand of ovals.

My beads look clean inside, but I can barely see past the bead caps. Swirl at one end, clean at the other and slightly protruding.

There is more crumb color on my beads, but that means little.



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Re: I love seeing the tags, thanks
Re: I love seeing the tags, thanks -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
04/14/2016, 12:14:14

If they look clean and you can see the swirl in the glass I would lean more likely Venetian than Japanese.

As for dealers selling something as Japaneses or Czech they would most likely not get the same prices.
On ebay just because it says Venetian it seems to carry a premium. Dealers call everything Venetian because of this.
Whether its done intentionally or out of ignorance who knows.
As in all purchases its buyer beware.



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oh those crazy bead titles!
Re: Re: I love seeing the tags, thanks -- beadweyr Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
04/14/2016, 12:28:07

yes Wayne, I've seen it all this past month or two, browsing anything bead related. Venetian is on everything, so ridiculous. I don't bother correcting anyone anymore. If I hadn't studied for years and years I would be utterly confused.

I sometimes see you out there bidding for beads. You are trying for some blacks? There was a long strand of those in blue a few weeks back that went crazy from the start, did you see it?



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Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
04/14/2016, 12:39:12

I saw those blue beads, they went for over $2000 absolutely crazy.
I will be passing on the black ones, have a feeling they to will go for crazy money too.



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Repair
Re: bead ID please, foil beads -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: jrj Post Reply
04/14/2016, 08:02:46

Posted by: jrj 03/27/2015, 22:39:04

My friend/colleague who is an object conservator uses Acryloid B-72 for similar conditions. It’s non-yellowing and can be reversed in acetone. Hold a brush dampened with diluted B-72 next to the silver edge and the adhesive will be wicked under the band via capillary action. You might put some painters tape on the coral adjacent to the silver first to protect it. It can be purchased at Conservation Resources: http://www.conservationresources.com/Main/section_34/section34_16.html



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Thank you. Acryloid B-72, here for reference
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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
04/14/2016, 11:48:01



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Tnx, JRJ - but.... xylene? toluene? Yikes! Maybe Rosanna has some safety tips
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04/14/2016, 15:02:54



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Both very dangerous and to avoid...
Re: Tnx, JRJ - but.... xylene? toluene? Yikes! Maybe Rosanna has some safety tips -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
04/14/2016, 18:28:20

known carinogens, known to cause birth defects and who knows what else. Nail polish used to have tuluene, no longer does.



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Re: Tnx, JRJ - but.... xylene? toluene? Yikes! Maybe Rosanna has some safety tips
Re: Tnx, JRJ - but.... xylene? toluene? Yikes! Maybe Rosanna has some safety tips -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
04/15/2016, 10:21:39

Yes, use with ventilation and try not to get on your skin. Both these solvents will go right through those thin surgical gloves, or dissolve them, so don't bother with those for protection. Using small amounts of adhesives with those solvents should be safe especially if you take care not to eat, drink, inhale, or smear on your body.



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Speaking of foil beads...and saphiret...
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
04/15/2016, 08:47:17

http://www.ebay.com/sch/4184richard/m.html?item=252343428913&hash=item3ac0d72731%3Ag%3AqkIAAOSwgApXAoEf&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

Lovely foil beads and other vintage European glass beads here...the saphiret made my heart rate increase a little when I first saw it. Wow!

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my goodness, big collection
Re: Speaking of foil beads...and saphiret... -- Joyce Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
04/15/2016, 09:58:42



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Re: Speaking of foil beads...and saphiret...
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Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
04/17/2016, 00:57:38

well he labels everything as Venetian, but quite a few are Czech or Japanese, in my view...



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Agreed, I think the majority is Czech
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Posted by: Floorkasp Post Reply
04/17/2016, 04:04:24



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I find hazy documentation for many 'jewelry' beads
Re: Speaking of foil beads...and saphiret... -- Joyce Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
04/17/2016, 13:36:42

So-called trade beads seem to be documented more thoroughly than the jewelry beads... 'art deco', Edwardian', small holed Venetian fancies, and various foiled beads.

I appreciate everything I learn here. Most wedding cake beads seem to be Venetian without dispute except for some poor copies from India. There are crossovers with decorated beads. Millefiori slices showing up on beads from other places. Adventurine everywhere.



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Actually......
Re: I find hazy documentation for many 'jewelry' beads -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
04/17/2016, 23:52:22

The Czech made quite a few 'wedding cake beads' that most people would think of as Venetian.
Here is an example from a sample card in the Jablonec museum.

I highly recommend the books by Jargstorf on European beads and European glass in jewelry. They are the best I have found so for for ducumenting European 'non-trade' beads.

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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
04/18/2016, 14:11:25

Thank you. I ordered the book.

Among the 'wedding cake' beads I find some types more desirable than others. They must have been very popular based on abundance. I'm glad to learn more about them and other European jewelry beads.



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