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Posted by: Carole Post Reply
12/08/2012, 17:50:57

Many BCN members may have attended and/or presented in the Recursor del Sol(sp?) Bead Conferences in Santa Fe in the 80's (?). It's all hazy because I did too many beads back then. Jamey Allen presented, and hooked me as a bead pusher-yes, you dude, and I know u are out there lurking. There were two subjects that stuck with me; the "Hubble" bead and the"Aggrey "bead as enigmas. Peter Francis later came to Denver and viewed a woman's collection of Hubble beads and surmised they were all fake. I did the search engine on these beads and didn't find anything. I did find some information on the Aggrey bead from Tazart but I still don't have a grip on it. So, when I recently visited Matt aka Beadbox, and he showed me Willis' Hubble beads, it piqued my interest. They looked and felt right so I bought two groups. LOL! When I was stringing beads tonight I found I already had a Hubble bead that has been tossed around as a "I don't know what the heck this bead is so keep it." It is the barrel bead in the picture. Any thoughts on these beads? They weren't cheap but weren't expensive either.

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For those who don't know Hubble beads....
Re: Hubble Beads -- Carole Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Carole Post Reply
12/08/2012, 18:00:34

I can offer a little information. A man named Hubble had a trading post in the southwest and reportedly had beads made to look like turquoise for his store. Quite frankly, I am not sure of the date and can only offer that they are Czech/Bohemian beads, although these beads seem more sophisticated than Czech/Bohemian beads. Anyone? Happy Hanukkah to those who celebrate!



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turquoise "block" instead of Czech glass
Re: For those who don't know Hubble beads.... -- Carole Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Russ Nobbs Post Reply
12/08/2012, 18:37:49

These look like beads made from turquoise "block" - a man made imitation of turquoise sometimes called "recon" or "reconstructed" turquoise. "Recon" turquoise is often claimed to be made from pulverized turquoise but it is usually just plastic and dyes.

There is also man made "compressed nugget." Real chunks of stone held together with resin and dyes.

Both "block" and compressed nugget are made in blocks or loaves. I've posted pictures in the past.



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Re: turquoise "block" instead of Czech glass
Re: turquoise "block" instead of Czech glass -- Russ Nobbs Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: JRJ Post Reply
12/09/2012, 02:42:09

The name is spelled Hubbell, which may be why no information on the beads could be found on the Internet. Today, the Hubbell Trading Post is a wonderful historic property managed by the National Park Service: http://www.nps.gov/hutr/index.htm



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Hubbell Beads - some links
Re: Hubble Beads -- Carole Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
12/09/2012, 08:19:45

Well, spelled correctly, it's Googleable. What info is correct, what is erroneous, I don't know, but here are some links. From the Google images search I came across this article that looks interesting:

http://www.beadinpath.com/index.php/Weekly-Beadditudes-with-Dara/the-collectible-beads-of-jl-hubbell.html

And an offering on justbeads.com, priced by the bead:

http://www.justbeads.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=973450536

I know that Gabrielle Liese was writing about the Hubbell bead for a long time before she passed away. I wonder what has happened to her research material.


Related link: Google Image search: Hubbell Beads

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Turquoise beads
Re: Hubbell Beads - some links -- Joyce Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/09/2012, 13:23:46

So basically Hubbell beads are turquoise similating glass beads?
Here is a batch of Czech glass beads, bought in Jablonec. From what was found with them, I think they are at least a few decades old, and may be pre WWII. They look like some of the beads that in these links are referred to as Hubbell beads (which is a name I had not heard before)

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Hubbell mystique
Re: Turquoise beads -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
12/09/2012, 13:38:53

Jamey would probably be the one to best ascertain whether yours are in this category, Floor, but they sure look like alleged Hubbell beads to me.



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Re: Hubbell mystique -- Joyce Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: JRJ Post Reply
12/09/2012, 15:50:22

Some links to information about Native American crafts during the late 19th and early 20th centuries (providing a broad context for Hubbell beads) and eastern Europe's (where they were produced?) interest in Native Americans:

http://navajotextiles.com/history.htm#rug

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Harvey_(entrepreneur)

http://www.nps.gov/nr/feature/wom/2001/colter.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_May



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It's the other way around, Floor
Re: Turquoise beads -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Russ Nobbs Post Reply
12/11/2012, 22:55:37

"basically Hubbell beads are turquoise similating glass beads? "

No, Hubbell beads are glass beads simulating turquoise.

Your Czech glass beads look like Hubbell beads to me.

Jamey bought a sample board of them in Czech. Here is a picture of Jamey's card cropped to just the turquoise colored ones and the whole card. This came from the bead and button antique shop you've visited.

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Ofcourse you are right
Re: It's the other way around, Floor -- Russ Nobbs Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/12/2012, 01:01:42

Somehow got that sentence mixed up.

I have the exact same sample card that Jamey has, indeed from that same shop. I also have a few other sample cards with tuquoise coloured glass 'stones' on them. The Czechs refer to all cabochons and facetted glass pieces as 'stones', no matter if they are made to resemble actually stone or not.
In that same antique shop, where the owner speaks no English and almost no German, he once prevented me from buying a big bag of what I thought were beads. He said: 'Stein', meaning stone in German, indicating that they had no holes.

The first sample card has only the the turquoise colours, the other has pieces that I presume are intended to similate jade, malachite, tortoise shell and at the bottom also some type of quartz, carnelian, tortoise shell again and two types of agate.

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One big sample card
Re: Ofcourse you are right -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/12/2012, 01:07:43

This big sample card of wound glass beads is almost falling apart. It has no markings on it, so it near impossible to date.
On the right are apparantly the Hubbell beads in different sizes. At the bottom of the card are the different colours in which this style of beads could be made. All are a white base with different layers of dots and specks of glass.

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Beads and pins
Re: Ofcourse you are right -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/12/2012, 01:11:53

And some more of the bead and from the same batch: pins in the same type of glass, but with ridges/dents. I have the same shape in beads.

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Re: what you call "pins"
Re: Beads and pins -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
12/12/2012, 07:05:42

your photos are good and clear so one can see the wires are copper and soft -they would have been ready for bending into loops or twisting together for drops or earrings...



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Re: Re: what you call "pins" -- Stefany Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/12/2012, 08:13:15

You are right, they are not pins in the sense that they can be used as pins. (does that sentence even make sense?)
I did not know what the right way to describe them would be in English: glass on wire?



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a little clarification... Recursos, aggrey
Re: Hubble Beads -- Carole Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
12/09/2012, 12:20:17

HI Carole,

There are no doubt more bcn members who went to the Bead Expo shows and symposiums - some of those folks could tell us when they all started.

They were put on by Recursos de Santa Fe and Peter Francis, Jr.

http://www.recursos.org/

Shortly after Peter's death the shows ended anyway because of the years-long remodel of the complex the event was held at in Santa Fe.
Meanwhile, Recursos sold the show to Interweave (owned by Aspire Media) who for a few years aggressively bought everything bead related possible, sort of going for the "Starbucks of Beads" goal - and basically tossed the idea of real symposiums in favor of more classes using commercial materials being sold by most of the vendors. Kinda like any other big bead show. Consequently, these shows are attracting many new hobbyists, but fewer collectors of historic or ethnic beads or world-class artist beads.

I had longed to go to these events, first hearing about them from our favorite African traders, who liked them second best only to Tucson for trade bead sales as well as over-all event quality.

Here's the aggrey beads article from thebeadsite.


Related link: aggrey beads on thebeadsite

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I stopped at the Hubbell Trading Post
Re: Hubble Beads -- Carole Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Art Post Reply
03/27/2014, 19:18:47

Back in the 90's . I think it was on the way home after one of those Recursos events. I went specifically to see Hubbell beads or dispel the notion that they existed. The folks at the trading post were quite nice and led me into a back room and gave me some white gloves and let me examine beads they yet have in their archive. The beads definitely were made to look like turquoise. It's a bit off the beaten path some 40 plus miles north of I-40 into the Navajo Reservation west of Albuquerque. We continued on out through the res stopping at First Mesa and the Hopi res along the way and coming out some hundred miles later at Tuba City. It is lonely out in that southwest desert, but beautiful.



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Re: Hubble Beads -- Carole Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
10/15/2018, 14:47:38

The topic of Hubbell beads has been carefully and thoroughly worked-out, by Gabrielle Liese—who spent years on the trail of this "mystery."

The story was first brought to light by Sorensen in his article for Arizona Highways. (1971—see the attached photo.)

He presented the "facts" in a garbled and incorrect manner.

It was not Don Lorenzo Hubbell who "had beads made for him...."

A generation LATER, his son acquired Czech glass beads that imitate turquoise, and offered them for sale. The rest of the story about 'Indians pawning their real turquoise seasonally..., and wearing Hubbell beads as substitutes....' can probably be dismissed as folklore. In any event, all this took place much later than Sorensen remarked.

The story of "Hubbell beads" is well-presented in the Catalogue produced at The Bead Museum for our exhibit related to Native American beads and trade beads. The essays that refer to Hubbell beads were composed by Gabrielle, and myself.

Jamey

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Re: Re: Hubbell Beads -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
10/15/2018, 17:48:36

Here's a photo showing two specimens from the Liese Collection.

On the left, plain molded turquoise-blue Czech beads and pendants. Looking carefully, you can see these pendants in a necklace on the AH magazine cover. These are considered to be included in the "Hubbell" family. I was with Gabrielle and Ted Liese, when this was purchased AT the Hubbell Trading Post memorial institution.

On the right, an unusual instance where a Navajo squash blossom necklace is set with round Czech glass "stones" rather than actual turquoise. The multiple pendants replace typical squash blossom pendants.

I created this image after Gabrielle's passing, in an attempt to get funding for a video to honor her life, in promoting beads and bead research, and operating The Bead Museum. My request was not funded, much to my disappointment.

JDA.

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