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Posted by: jake@nomaddesign Post Reply
10/18/2012, 15:09:19

Fred, I have no doubt about the authenticity of these beads, please feel free to be frank, and critical. I will appreciate the input of a fellow travelers exceptional knowledge, and I have been wrong before, ;)... photos taken with my phone, I did not edit so as to show the most accurate color.

Any other comments are greatly appreciated.

22-25MM Thanks bead pals...

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Aperture I, I/b...... Thanks Fred... I hope you will share any thoughts, no matter how elementary.
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Re: Fred.... Jatim close up~
Re: Fred.... Jatim close up~ -- jake@nomaddesign Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Frederick Post Reply
10/19/2012, 00:35:44

Hi Jake,

These are nice looking big beads. Thank you for going to the trouble of making images and posting them.

Knowing when you first handled them certainly adds to their provenance. Although they do have all of the characteristics I would look for in an authentic old Jatim.

Isn't it wonderful when beautiful beads come back to us after several years? Especially after regretting that we sold them....

Frederick

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could you please expand on all the characteristics to look for in authentic old jatim.
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
10/19/2012, 07:22:08

thank you!

martine

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I have never recovered the regrettedly sold beads...
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Posted by: jake@nomaddesign Post Reply
10/19/2012, 10:04:10

there is one rare Sago Namgo dZi, that I know the only way I could get it back would be if disaster struck the beautiful family that owns it. Dang it I don't want it back.



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genuine jatims
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Posted by: will Post Reply
10/19/2012, 06:33:12

Hi Jake,

I think it's virtually impossible to be certain if a Jatim is genuine from a photograph nowadays. The fakes, at their best, have gotten so good, with acid treatment and other artificial aging processes. As Hendrik said in the previous thread, the genuine ones do often seem to feel different, but other than provenance, the only real way to be sure is through a scientific analysis of the glass - but that is dificult to arrange, complicated to carry out, and prohibitively expensive!

Having said that, I don't see any reason to doubt your assumption that this bead is authentic. I'd love to see a close-up of the cylinder-shaped bead in your earlier picture. It's a rare one.

I haven't taken any more pictures of the fifty or so beads that I acquired recently in Indonesia and elsewhere, but for the moment I'll attach a grouping of beads I've shown here once before. I'm as sure as I can be that they're all genuinely ancient. The large central pelangi is one of the best I've ever seen, but it has, like a lot of the beads that came out of Indonesia in the late 80s and the 90s, been polished to restore its surface.

Cheers,

Will

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