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A'dam 'de duif ': traditional jewelry and textiles fair
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Posted by: karavanserai

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10/01/2012, 07:40:12

Although it technically wasn’t a ‘bead show’, it was my first and I loved it. Adrenaline sky high, not knowing where to look first, no longer knowing what I intended to look for. I was in good company : Karen aka kraaltje my partner in bead crime and Ward my partner in all crimes, and as we moved along we recognized Floor, Peter and Hendrik (not accidentally at the Beadbrother’s stand!) . By the time we met for lunch we got to know new time BCN member Nel and of course Roger aka Faqrun.
I am posting some pictures, rough cut and I hope Peter and Floor will add some more. I think Nel took some as well.
Hopefully you’ll feel the vibe. It is a rather small venue, with a friendly atmosphere in a great setting. Ward’s opening shots give you a glimpse of the architecture.
I’ll add some more pictures tonight.

martine
Related link: amsterdam jewelry and textiles fair

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10/01/2012, 07:41:12

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'Asian items' stand
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10/01/2012, 07:54:11

That was a real mix of original and less original/new mix. But prices were for some - probably less known- items in the same range. I made a bargain there.

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'Toguna African Arts and crafts' stand
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10/01/2012, 08:55:30

I was not really impressed by the bead quality offered, but maybe I am too picky: the quartz , the carnelian, the shell ... Of course this is my humble personal opinion only. I was a bit upset that the amazonite sold was in reality a mix of amazonite and steatite but the owner would not budge and did as nothing was wrong. He did not even want to discuss about it. My conclusion: he knew it all too well. His 'amber' was phenolic resin ... but he had some nice small Mali and Burkina bronzes, ... and I am sure many other things but I couldn't be bothered anymore. It was a nice looking stand though.

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Khyber gallery
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10/01/2012, 09:02:56

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Afghan Art gallery and Anuschka Menist
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10/01/2012, 09:13:37

in the Afghan Art Gallery there was a mix of newer and older. Some real nice textile pieces, very pretty old gold earrings, good quality for money big Afghan silver beads... unfortunately not for me this time. I know I might regret it.

Anuschka Menist had some great ethnic jewelry collection pieces at fair prices. Unfortunately I don't have good pictures of her stand and my pockets were close to empty.

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Beadbrothers 1
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10/01/2012, 09:33:46

Well there were more stands, but I did not spend that much time there and forgot to take pictures: a Touareg stand (mostly newer jewelry);another Afghan stand with some impressive and very expensive coral and etched carnelian, but mostly with newer stuff; a vintage jewelry stand; and Art Deco jewelry stand....
But of course there was one stand that - independently from one another- appealed to all of us, like bees to honey: the Beadbrothers.

First picture: Floor and Peter talking to Beadbrothers
Picture 2: please meet BCN member Mcbead and his colleague from Beadbrothers

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Beadbrothers 2: the real old stuff
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10/01/2012, 09:44:46

The Beadbrothers along with Ethnocraft (offering finished tradebeads necklaces, of which I have no pictures) are the only stands that were exclusively selling beads/necklaces.

The pictures are of the Beadbrothers' stand: this was the 'old Indonesian stuff' section. If I listened correctly: most to be dated around 6th century AD. And yes we we kept on coming back to these.

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Beadbrothers 3: the old and the new
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Posted by: karavanserai

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10/01/2012, 10:03:46

Everything on the stands (the necklaces) were old genuine beads. Lying down were the newly made Indonesian necklaces. Some were extremely cleverly made and could have fooled me easily! Sorry no detailed pictures made. Too busy to discover them. This was my first face to face with Indonesian beads, old and new!
I was amazed how much the old blue jatim eyebeads resemble the ancient Islamic eyebeads. My friend Karen happened to wear an Islamic eyebead necklace and the resemblance was immense. In a couple of weeks, I'll try to make some pictures of both so that you can see what I mean.

I think I will leave it to this for now. Tomorrow some pictures of the BCN get together at Nels.

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Cool pictures, and some more....
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Posted by: floorkasp

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10/01/2012, 12:45:57

Beadbrothers, with the first image showing some wonderful replica beads with incredible detail from Indonesia.

More beadbrothers, and ID request
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Posted by: floorkasp

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10/01/2012, 12:48:09

The second picture shows some beads that Max from the Beadbrothers would be pleased to hear some opinions on. They may be Islamic era, they may be Hebron crumbs? The orange glass on there seems to have some swirls in it. Interesting beads.

General overview and Khyber galery
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10/01/2012, 12:49:09

More Khyber galery
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10/01/2012, 12:49:45

Afghan dealer
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Posted by: floorkasp

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10/01/2012, 12:50:44

Not completely sure if all of these beads are genuine ancient beads.....

Pretty display method
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Posted by: floorkasp

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10/01/2012, 12:51:23

Meeting up, enjoying beads and bead talk
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Posted by: floorkasp

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10/01/2012, 12:52:23

Wonderful necklace!
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Posted by: floorkasp

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10/01/2012, 12:56:43

Hendrik brought along this very special necklace, which I think is Czech. The tiny metal faces are just charming.
He also brought a very cool gift for me, which I will show later.....it is now still at Peter's house. A part of an original sample card with two Czech necklaces from the Egyptian revival period!

Finally
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10/01/2012, 12:58:55

Martine enjoying some beads, and a necklace which I liked because it is all about the colourful prosser beads.

To all that could join us: Martine, Hendrik, Roger, Ward, Nel, Karin: thanks for a great time!

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Posted by: Anansi

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10/01/2012, 13:44:44

Martine and Ward looking for some beautiful beads at the Kyber Gallery stand

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The only picture I want to add....and I hope Floor won't mind
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Posted by: karavanserai

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10/01/2012, 15:09:02

Yes it is coming soon. Floor promised!
Thank you for the great close-up pictures Floor and Peter, thank you all for a great time. See you next year in A'dam!

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2nd book in the series...."Beads from Tucson"....preview?
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Posted by: Joyce

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10/04/2012, 17:12:16

Fun to see! Might we see a page or two inside?

Modified by Joyce at Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 17:13:38

Thank you so much, Martine, Floor and Nel!
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Posted by: Joyce

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10/02/2012, 18:44:13

It makes me happy that you all went to this show in Amsterdam! Although a textile show, it looks much more fun and interesting from a bead / ethnic jewelry perspective than our bead shows in Northern California these days. Wish I could have been there! I love seeing the photos!

It was great fun indeed
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Posted by: floorkasp

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10/03/2012, 01:50:27

Just to clarify: it was an ethnic and antique jewelry show.
Previously, the organiser set up two shows each year. One for jewelry, one for textiles. The textiles show has been cancelled, and 'included' in the jewelry show. It meant there were a few dealers of tribal textiles, but only two or three.

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Posted by: faqrun

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10/05/2012, 05:09:29

Yes, it was nice.
Amsterdam: water canals, bicycles, "herb" flavour, tribal jewelry, beads and some of these BCN gentle forumites.
Thanks Floor for organize this BCN meeting in the beautiful Amsterdam.
Thanks to all the assistants for a funny instructive lunch.

Some beads
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Posted by: Hendrik

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10/14/2012, 13:09:32

It was very nice indeed to meet you all "in levende lijve".

For me it had been a while since I bought some ancient beads and it was to hard to resist the jatims from the beadbrothers, this being the first time I saw a selection of what they had to offer, I'm sure it's not gonna be the last time either. So enjoy. Dimensions are 18x22 and 19x21mm.

Hendrik

Some more beads
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Posted by: Hendrik

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10/14/2012, 13:12:01

Some more ancient jatims 21x22 and 15x16mm

Some amazing replicas
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Posted by: Hendrik

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10/14/2012, 13:15:45

The duck bead is 22x20mm, the other one 26x23mm.

That's all folks for now,

Hendrik

Wonderful beads
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Posted by: Will

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10/15/2012, 07:10:01

Thanks for showing them, Hendrik. Floor's and Martine's photos of the Bead Brothers' table already made me wish I had been there. It was good to see them too - I've enjoyed dealing with them over the internet on several occasions and I'm sure it's even better in person.

These ancient jatims never cease to amaze me. The recent copies and adaptations are pretty amazing too, but they don't have the presence of the old beads. I've been in Java a couple of times in the last year and spent a few days in several of the places where they are still being dug up by local farmers. I'll try to find time to take some pics and post them in the next little while.

All the best,

Will

A couple of photos
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Posted by: Will

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10/15/2012, 07:41:56

Here are a couple of photos I took already for something else I've been writing. One is of a slightly unusual red green and yellow twisted bead - medium size, about 15 mm. The other is of a larger bead (similar to one of yours, Hendrik), which was found broken. It seems to have been lying in close proximity to some iron object, which had completely disintegrated over the intervening fifteen hundred or so years. I don't know enough about chemistry to know if the iron might have contributed to the breakdown of the glass. In any case, the fragment gives a good idea of the structure of these beads and of the almost porous quality of the glass in the core.

Cheers,

Will

very nice Will !
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Posted by: karavanserai

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10/17/2012, 04:55:42

I am just discovering jatims and although they miss the translucency I have seen in the Islamic beads you find in W-Africa, they are very intriguing. Thanks for showing the picture where you can see the core. Do you have more jatims I could find in the archives, if not could you show some more? Thank you.

martine

Wonderful beads
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Posted by: Hendrik

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10/15/2012, 13:19:48

Hi Will,

Here's another small jatim bead(12x15mm) that seems to have no core. The glass in between the yellow is almost clear and is hard to catch in a picture. Wonderful beads indeed, looking forward to see more.

Hendrik

Jatim
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Posted by: jake@nomaddesign

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10/15/2012, 21:40:00

In about 1993-I sold these four original ancient Indonesian beads to a collector/friend, Ben Thompson. Soon after which our very own Rick (Rotten)Rice acquired them, nearly two decades later I re-acquired them back. I am sure you all have some similar story?

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These are very nice, I feel.
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Posted by: Frederick

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10/17/2012, 01:47:57

Hi Jake,
I love old Jatim; they are still very curious to me.
Therefore, it would be good to have a closer look.
If you get a chance, may we see macro shots
of each side pointed toward the aperture?
If you do not get a chance, I understand.
Thank you for showing just this image.

Frederick

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Posted by: karavanserai

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10/17/2012, 04:58:50

Hi Jake, you seem to have an example of every type/colour/shape. Very nice! Nice examples. They seem huge, could you give as an idea of the sizes? Thanks.

martine

Glad to see them once more in detail . They are really nice and the repro...
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Posted by: karavanserai

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10/17/2012, 04:48:44

They could have fooled me with the swan bead. Unbelievable. Thank you Hendrik!

martine

Another repro
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Posted by: Hendrik

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10/17/2012, 12:39:16

Hi Martine,

Here's a close-up from another repro. They are nice looking beads from the technical point of view but don't have the same feel as the ancient ones. On top of that they are not annealed and have cracks. Impossible to say how long they will survive or withstand the tension inside the glass.

Hendrik