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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
05/19/2022, 20:25:53

A studio visitor gave me this, saying it was real jade and very old. About 4" in diameter, about 1/8" thick. Very pale green and white stone.

Thoughts???

I forgot to photo the other side, though I think it's the same. If a pic of the back would help, I can repost this tomorrow.

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Posted by: petrusgeorgius Post Reply
05/20/2022, 08:03:35

Hello
the green parts look like authentic jade , but the engraving is not neat and looks as a quick made machine work
if it was an old artefact , the hollow parts and the engraving should not be so rough but polished .
somebody spent some hours on it but not long time ago .
giving an old jade disc which is worth a lot of money is not common .



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Posted by: Will Post Reply
05/20/2022, 08:27:20

Hi Luann,

It's a nice gift and a decorative piece to enjoy but not very old, I'm afraid. Stylistically, it's a bit of mishmash, with various elements that seem to be saying Han dynasty (2,000 years ago). It's been artificially aged, and the carver has tried to give a false appearance of age by making his work appear crude (the incised comma shape at 3 o'clock, for instance).

The circular disc in Chinese is called a bi (pronounced bee), and it has been an important form from the earliest times. I'll attach a couple of photos of a dark green jade bi that comes from the Dawenkou culture in NE China about 5,000 years ago. The surface has been altered in places to a brown hue as a result of the iron content in the soil in which it was buried. It's amazing how finely polished the unaltered parts of the surface still are; it must have taken months of work. But in the second image you can see irregularities in the shaping and the thickness as a result of the very simple tools available at that time.

Best,

Will

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Thank you both, you've confirmed my suspicion!
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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
05/20/2022, 13:55:35

I thought it was a bi disk, and thought the carving was a little "less than". Good to have you both chime in with more expertise!

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