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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
10/09/2021, 09:19:19

113218546 is the LiveAuctioneers number in case the link ages.

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/113218546_a-cloisonne-enamel-prayer-beads-qing-dynasty



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Pardon my dumb question
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
10/09/2021, 10:11:33

...but there aren't any cloisonné beads on this bracelet, are there?



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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
10/12/2021, 15:00:51

It's not a dumb question.

At best, the beads being shown are probably champlevé.

Meaning, the "coins" are stamped and enameled, and fused-together to make spherical beads.

Champlevé is routinely misidentified as "cloisonné" by many many people. Over the previous year I have written to uncounted numbers of sellers at eBay and Etsy to explain this issue, with their merchandise.

J.

P.S.—It's a very nice piece. I'd like to believe it's authentic, and not a clever put-together object. But I'm not convinced it is.



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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
10/12/2021, 16:29:07

To my unschooled eye - the beads look like new production and the composition new as well. Especially the the little circlets of seed beads - that feels like something a contemporary beader would add. Just my 2 cents.



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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
10/15/2021, 21:33:48

The details, including the beadwork elements, are very authentic.

But everything appears pristine and new.



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Re: Answer- soldering and enamelling
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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
10/16/2021, 02:55:47

the metal soldering would have to take place before any enamelling because if it was already enamelled the heat would damage, remelt or crack it.



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I agree. Don't take my suggestions as to processes as a sequence.
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
10/16/2021, 12:06:35



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More like enameled metal, not cloisonne
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
10/13/2021, 12:04:29


But what vendors list stuff as is frequently questionable.
Interesting beads tho, yes?



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