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Old Bakelite / Faturan for $50 per gram!
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
01/19/2019, 09:30:56

Check out eBay 283320775714, which asks $16,200 for a 324 g necklace ($50/g) - much more than what is usually asked for old amber!

The seller also says the beads are over 150 years old, which is impossible since the first production of Bakelite - the first phenolic resin - was in 1910.

Note that Faturan was a trade name for one of the early German versions of phenolic resin. The earliest reference I could find to Faturan was in 1923, although one online article claimed that there was a mention in 1917. I have not seen this documentation myself, and the author died a few years ago before I could ask him about it.

Also note that there is no way to prove which of the many manufacturers of phenolic resin made the material in any particular bead. Many of the early formulations had the same chemical instability that caused amber colored beads to turn this deep red-brown, sometimes after a matter of weeks.

I've been running an experiment in my office on the color change of old phenolic resin beads. I broke an old cherry red, faceted bead into pieces, and observed that the red color was in a very thin outer layer, no more than a millimeter, while the inside of the bead was clear amber. Over the last 2-3 years, the freshly exposed amber surfaces have slowly gotten redder and redder.

Caveat emptor!

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Re: Old Bakelite / Faturan for $50 per gram!
Re: Old Bakelite / Faturan for $50 per gram! -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: odan Post Reply
01/19/2019, 10:45:13

No surprise here. As someone who is selling beads, I find that both ebay and estay are full of fraudulent adds.
I search through hundreds of sites on both sites to assure that my beads are priced very fairly.
I see titles like "Ancient mosaic venetian bead. Most bad actors are in Thailand. So many cooked new beads....Ancient dZi's Islamic types and many others.
Some look very good...
In the future I think these beads will make collecting very difficult.
The worst are those who advertise as original venetian and then somewhere in their add they will mention that their beads are replicas.
There are some gr8 bead sites and I think most of them are members of the BCN. Selling is easy....It's buying them that is risky.

To be honest.....I think BCN is probably the best place to look for beads.



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On online inaccuracies...
Re: Re: Old Bakelite / Faturan for $50 per gram! -- odan Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
01/20/2019, 01:07:47

Not beady, but soooo funny!
Edited not to disclose the seller's name -- a most uninteresting info.

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Especially like the notation, "may not ship to Spain"...
Re: On online inaccuracies... -- nishedha Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
01/20/2019, 09:04:14



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Haha, my first thought as well!
Re: Especially like the notation, "may not ship to Spain"... -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: heleen Post Reply
01/21/2019, 10:23:22



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Faturan update from Marie Opper
Re: Old Bakelite / Faturan for $50 per gram! -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
01/19/2019, 14:51:02

Mme. Opper emailed me just now, with a reference that mentions Faturan, an "artificial product made from phenol and formaldehyde", and dated 1918, and another with a similar description, dated 1919.

Thank you Marie!



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Another Faturan update - from 1913!
Re: Old Bakelite / Faturan for $50 per gram! -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
01/19/2019, 22:02:45

Using the French search engine Gallica, I found an older mention of Faturan, in a 1913 publication called Les Temps Nouveaux. Under the "Help Us" heading, the text says, "A friend asks for information on a product imitating amber called Faturan".

So, within 3 years of the first Bakelite plant opening in Germany, a competitive product was on the market. In the US, the same thing happened and Baekeland successfully sued for patent infringement. Not sure how things went in Europe but there were dozens of European phenolic products by the early 1920s, before the original patents ran out.



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Re: Another Faturan update - from 1913!
Re: Another Faturan update - from 1913! -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
01/22/2019, 02:45:32

Thank you Rosanna for passing on new info. I have been wondering whether you have already enough material to publish/present a document?

martine

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