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Posted by: hans Post Reply
11/05/2018, 08:25:08

This small figure is collected 10 years ago on East Java. The face is hard to seen in the picture. One arm is damaged.
Lenght x height = 25,45 x 11,32 mm. Perforation is conical 2,28 - 3,64 mm.
It has the structure and colour of Indo Pacific glass and it is not of modern fabrication. The glass is folded and manipulated with a pointed tool. In the same batch were small glass elephants (piu type), snakes and a damaged bird, all in colors seen also by Indo Pacific beads.
Are these kind of objects already documented? In SE Asia for instance?
Love to hear more on the subject.

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Posted by: hans Post Reply
11/05/2018, 08:29:06

Length x height = 28,23 x 5,61 x 10,89 mm. Conical perforation 1,61 x 1,22 mm

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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
11/09/2018, 13:03:31

Hello Hans,

I call your attention to the long presentation I posted in 2009, after my trip to Java in 2008. Part II. It can be read here:

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=64610&iZz=64610&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0

I am also attaching screenshots of one segment, in which I show a bead that I would compare to your bead. It is a figural specimen, made in ochre glass. I would compare your bead to this one.

Jamey

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Thx Jamey
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Posted by: hans Post Reply
11/11/2018, 09:12:59

Hi Jamey, thank you. There is a lot of resemblance. Hope to find more info in the future.



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Bird
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Posted by: hans Post Reply
11/11/2018, 09:31:46

there was also this damaged small bird
I hope to get the opportunaty to photograph the glass elephants from the same batch soon to show.

Bird length x height = 16,82 x 11,78 mm

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Colors are amazing!
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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
11/21/2018, 18:44:44

They remind me of the bangle fragments from the first "Roman Glass" strands I bought a few years ago. Matte surfaces, strong, bright colors, aged look.

In fact, when I searched for an image to use, I found this one from BCN!

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Luann Udell artist & writer Ancient stories retold in modern artifacts LuannUdell.com

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P.S.
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
11/24/2018, 05:17:12

Re-reading your initial post today, I recall the following.

In 2010 I met Walt Seifried at the Bead Conference in Borneo. The first evening, he showed me the beads he had brought with him from Thailand/SE Asia—and these included some amazing and small sculptural beads. They were the same colors as Indo-Pacific beads, and Walt's source was adamant that they were "ancient." I was not so sure. Whenever something entirely different suddenly appears for the first time, it is important to be skeptical (as I have remarked many times)—even when the artifacts are impressive.

Sometime later, Walt told me he came to know that these delicate and well-rendered beads were recent fakes. Disappointing, but not uncommon.

I will try to locate my photos, though I suspect they are on a back-up drive by now.

Jamey



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this triggered me
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Posted by: hans Post Reply
11/24/2018, 13:37:08

Hi Jamey,
this picture was taken with a mobile phone on the Tribal Art Fair, last October in Amsterdam. The participant said the objects date 300 BC - 200 AD. I had never seen this kind of manipulated glass before and thought that was a bit too early in time.
A few days later a friend noticed them on the Art Fair too, and showed me his collection. I posted some of these in the message above. Now I am beginning to think it was too good to be true.

Hope you can find your pictures and show them some time?
Thx Hans

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