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Posted by: beadyeyes Post Reply
12/01/2015, 07:05:23

I am seeking an opinion on what I believe to be an ancient Indian bead.
I have searched Google for experts and comparisons but it has me running in circles. I have asked a few experts around the country with out validation. I found the bead on the shore of Willapa Bay in Washington State. An are known well known for Ancient Indian habitat.
(private property) Ive been searching for its identity for two years.
If someone can help, I would greatly appreciate it!

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Posted by: lopacki Post Reply
12/01/2015, 08:20:53

From what I am seeing the hole looks square is this correct? If so can you post images of both sides.

All my best .. Danny



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Posted by: beadyeyes Post Reply
12/01/2015, 12:54:50

Danny, You are correct. The hole is square. I think that has thrown many people off. Ill post a couple more pictures.

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Posted by: lopacki Post Reply
12/01/2015, 16:01:16

Is there a chance this is made from ceramic? The square hole leads me to ask this question. If it is ceramic it may be an electric insulator.

Danny



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Posted by: beadyeyes Post Reply
12/01/2015, 18:03:44

I would say there is an excellent chance that it might be ceramic. It has the right texture and weight to be ceramic. What kind of electrical insulator?



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Posted by: lopacki Post Reply
12/02/2015, 07:51:24

Can't tell you what kind, it just seemed to be what it was.

Danny



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Danny, you hit the nail right on the head...
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Posted by: David Joyce, Joyce Post Reply
12/02/2015, 15:34:56

It's the top of a knob, used in knob & tube wiring. I have replaced miles of the stuff and some of it has a square hole.



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1880's through the 1940's
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/02/2015, 17:07:19

If I may add to this - the knob & tube wiring is described as in use up to the 1930's in the Wikipedia article, but my brother, who is looking for a house right here in Nor. Cal., has seen K&T wiring in homes built in the 1940's.



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please can you show us a picture of one in use?
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Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
12/03/2015, 00:27:23



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Posted by: David Joyce Post Reply
12/03/2015, 05:03:59

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Spindle whorl?
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Posted by: jeff Post Reply
12/02/2015, 08:57:08

I've seen a few square holed "beads" atributed to being spindle whorls for spinning thread.



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Posted by: beadyeyes Post Reply
12/22/2015, 10:44:28

Jeff, I some how missed your post. a spindle whorl is definitely plausible. Ill look into that as well. Thank you.



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Posted by: Jim Johnson Post Reply
12/02/2015, 11:19:22

As many here at BCN know, I have a Native American bead collection consisting of several thousands of original beads.
I do not have even a single example of a Native American bead that has a square hole such as your very interesting bead has.
My beads are all sourced from old collections in Washington, Oregon and California.
I do not think your bead is Native American-related, but I learned a long time ago that virtually anything is possible in the bead world!



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Posted by: beadyeyes Post Reply
12/03/2015, 07:51:15

Thank you all for your input! Its the most input that I have received in all of the two years of seeking information. This a truly resourceful site that I plan on sticking with!

Thanks again!
Vance



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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/12/2015, 06:15:05

I was reading through 'Beads' from 2005, Bead Researchers society, and it discusses a range of archeological finds of beads with 'shaped perforations', including square perforations. The article goes into much detail bout the manufacture of drawn glass tubing, and describes the ways a bead can get a different type of perforation. The article is written by Lester A. Ross.



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Posted by: beadyeyes Post Reply
12/22/2015, 10:11:11

Being a home inspector, I have the opportunity of seeing knob and tube insulators almost every day. I have compared them to what I have and the results...not even close. My "bead" is more of a mill stone or (grind stone) material heavier than ceramic. It is exactly what a miniature mill stone would look and feel like. If this is not a bead, could it possibly be a tool used to make beads?
I will continue my research starting with the mentioned article by Lester A. Ross.



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