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Posted by: hopemagnificent Post Reply
10/15/2015, 10:27:17

Hi All

I am trying to find places in Bangkok where I can find ancient agates, Pyu beads etc as well as new gates such as Luk mik agate flat beads as well as suleimani agates.. Can any of you suggest markets or places in the city or dealers shops that you might know of, it would be great help. I am only there two days after visiting Phuket and I am dying to get my hand on some decent beads.

Thank you in advance

Umit



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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
10/15/2015, 14:27:44

Hi Umit,

I've been to Bangkok more than thirty times.

Since you have only two days, you will have to use your time wisely.
Which two days of the week? If Saturday and Sunday, try Chatuchak.
But Chatuchak, also known as Jatujak or "J.J.s" has 4,000 dealers...

It is hot and crowded and can be hellish -except when they play
the National Anthem and everyone is expected to instantly stop
and remain motionless in reverence to King Bhumibol Adulyadej.

If you have never been to Bangkok before, I feel it would be better to
try to relax and enjoy being a tourist. It's apt to be very hot and humid.
And, I can recommend places to shop. But do not expect it to be easy.

If you have enough money and expertise in ancient agate and "Pyu" beads
you will be able to make quick decisions and move on. But if you need to
deliberate and go back to the bank for more cash, you will most likely
become overheated and confused and have difficultly trying to find
your way back before other collectors buy what you thought you wanted.

You are likely to be competing for the best with rich Chinese collectors.
And most likely they will leave you standing in the dustÖbeadless.

Just Fred



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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
10/15/2015, 15:52:22

They say: "Bangkok has only two kinds of weather
-hot and very hot." And the humidity is very high.

An air conditioned taxi will give you a chance to cool off.
Take your time and rest your feet. And drink lots of water.

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Posted by: ShuD Post Reply
10/15/2015, 16:18:03

Move there for a year and carry all your literature.



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Beads in Bangkok (the long answer - sorry!)
Re: Bangkok! Ancient beads? New beads where to buy? -- hopemagnificent Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Will Post Reply
10/18/2015, 16:48:04

Hi Umit,

Sorry to be so slow responding to your request. I wanted to write this last week but didnít get the chance to do so. Perhaps some of the info will still be useful.

You say youíre interested in new and ancient beads, and Bangkok is full of new beads in street markets and luxury shopping malls. Some of them are very ingenious and you can choose your own price point.

But as far as ancient beads are concerned, I wouldn't suggest going there in the expectation of finding bargains any longer. I live quite near the city for four or five months each year, and twenty years ago I would have said that it was a great place for bead collectors, or indeed for anyone collecting Asian antiquities generally. But since then, for a variety of different reasons, there has been a substantial downturn in the market. Thereís a variety of reasons for that: (1) the unauthorized excavation sites on the Burmese border have been worked out; (2) the same thing has happened with ancient sites on the Cambodian border and inside Cambodia; (3) the Pakistani dealers who brought a lot of Indus Valley beads to Thailand have for the most part moved their operations to Singapore and Malaysia, and in any case they have less that is interesting to sell; (4) the huge increase in the number of Chinese dealers and collectors looking for ancient and pseudo-ancient stone beads has cleaned out large sections of the market.

Of course, there are still valuable and exciting ancient beads to be found. In a country that was as densely settled as Thailand was in ancient times, new sites are constantly being discovered. But most of the beads that are dug up are no longer readily available to tourists. The number of Thai bead collectors has increased substantially in the last ten years, and the few dealers who have authentic beads have regular customers who are lining up for whatever they find. In particular, you say you're looking for "Pyu" beads and Suleimanis, but these are precisely the areas where worldwide prices at present are enormously inflated because of an almost hysterical Chinese demand. As a result most of what you will find in Bangkok, as in other countries and on eBay also, is likely to be recent production presented as ancient.

Having said all that, if you do go out to Chatuchak market and youíre looking for ancient agate beads, thereís one store there that I would recommend. Itís in one of the permanent structures in the market and its address is: Nai Huad Antiques, 85, Zone A, between Soi 7 & 8, Jatujak Plaza; ask for Khun Charnwith whoís the most helpful member of the family. They sell mainly ancient and antique Chinese and Southeast Asian ceramics and bronze, but they also have a small stock of authentic ancient stone beads. Iíll attach a photo of a nice Funan agate pendant that I bought from them this June - age about 1800 years, 31 mm wide. They know their antiques and they donít knowingly sell fakes. Prices are quite high, but it always seems to me that youíre better off paying a good price for something genuine than a bargain price for a fake. Also right next door to Chatuchak is a multi-storey air-con shopping mall called JJ Mall. On the ground/basement floor thereís one bead and antiques stall that has some fine ancient West Asian beads. The pleasant woman who runs it knows her stuff. Iíve mislaid her card and canít tell you the exact address but youíll be able to find it in a few minutes just walking up and down the aisles.

Finally, in downtown Bangkok Iíd still (just about) recommend River City shopping centre on the banks of the Chao Phraya river just off Charoen Krung Road. Twenty years ago it was one of the main centres for Asian antiques in the world, but the last time I was there the lower two floors were depressingly empty. However, most of the really good old dealers on the third and fourth floors were still open. A few of them have wonderful ancient jewellery and beads if youíre willing to pay their prices. The ones Iíd recommend without reservation are Hong Antiques, Friday Antiques and Dech Gallery (at my last count Khun Dechar and his wife Khun Aum had four stores in upmarket locations around Bangkok). Some of their things are genuinely museum quality (their clients include many museums in the West), and they have massive stocks that are often hidden away, so you may have to ask for what you want. They are fascinating places to spend an hour or two, and generally the staff are friendly and welcoming provided you really know what youíre talking about. But you have to be careful in River City too because there are some thoroughly unscrupulous stores lurking in there as well. The only thing thatís worse than paying bargain prices for a fake is paying museum prices for a fake!

Good luck!

Will

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10/18/2015, 17:30:09



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Two days in Bangkok for bead victims: "Shopper's Hell or Shopper's Paradise?"
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
10/19/2015, 01:22:47

Umit,

I feel -even though I always have a guide and translator for Jatujak, the four thousand dealer outdoor weekend market-
trying to locate certain dealers in certain aisles and certain stalls is confusing and time consuming.
Crowding in the heat and humidity exacerbates the problem.

With only two days in Bangkok,
I would definitely stay at the Sheraton Royal Orchid.
This hotel is linked to Rivercity Antiques shopping mall.
Attached is a little video to whet your appetite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQUCmFrgSIw

Have a wonderful time and please tell us all about it.
Just Fred



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I was wrong.
Re: Bangkok! Ancient beads? New beads where to buy? -- hopemagnificent Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
10/19/2015, 11:17:47

Umit,
You have not told us which days of the week you are planning to visit Bangkok...

But here is updated information for the famous weekend market: There are not four thousand stalls in Chatuchak weekend market. There are ten to fifteen thousand stalls. And there are two hundred thousand shoppers. The market is divided into sections. You may want to begin in the Antiques section.

Here is a video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBXeLOquZXM

Just Fred



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Looks hopelessly boring. can I get Chinese-made diabetic socks?
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