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02/18/2018, 06:50:25
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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
02/18/2018, 08:31:33
I yearn for some of these type beads. Maybe one day I will find a set. Your are very wonderful. Beads are best when viewed frequently.
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02/18/2018, 13:20:59
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02/18/2018, 14:16:42
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02/18/2018, 14:18:06
I can always find room in my collection for them
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Posted by: beadbox Post Reply
02/18/2018, 15:12:56
I think you have plenty enough and I am still trying to own a worthy collection of just a fraction of what you already have.
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02/18/2018, 17:47:59
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02/18/2018, 18:29:31
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02/18/2018, 18:36:08
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
02/18/2018, 13:58:45
Some years ago, we had a contest to come up with a name for these beads. They are made from mosaic-glass canes, but are not "millefiori" (because "millefiori" is tightly defined). The winner of the contest (Joy) came up with FUROCA. FUsed ROsetta CAne beads. It is a useful name—and I do use it. JDA.
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02/18/2018, 15:09:23
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
02/18/2018, 20:42:26
Here's a link to some past discussions on this topic. JDA. http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=%2Fopenforum%2F&tK=furoca&wT=1&yVz=yTz&aO=1&hIz=4500&hJz=3500&cmd=find&by=&xcfgfs=tK-wT-yVz-aO-hKz
Related link: http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=%2Fopenforum%2F&tK=furoca&wT=1&yVz=yTz&aO=1&hIz=4500&hJz=3500&cmd=find&by=&xcfgfs=tK-wT-yVz-aO-hKz
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02/25/2018, 16:57:07
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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
02/18/2018, 15:41:28
What is a "liberty necklace?" A red, white and blue sautoir from the World War I era? Beautiful necklaces and beads!
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02/18/2018, 16:22:32
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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
02/18/2018, 17:01:29
When I Google "liberty & co." and "liberty necklace" and select images, the hits are of art nouveau and arts and crafts jewelry by renown jewelers Oliver Baker, Archibald Knox, et al of the early 20th century:
https://www.google.com/search?q=liberty+%26+co.+%22liberty+necklace%22&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS460US460&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwimury24LDZAhUC5IMKHUQyAMQQ_AUICygC&biw=1120&bih=566Fred, the article you cited doesn't explain the connection between Liberty & Co. and this use of the term "Liberty necklace." ...
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02/18/2018, 18:32:15
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
02/18/2018, 20:55:24
JRJ: Your question is a good one.
There are a number of unsubstantiated terms in popular usage.
Perhaps, you would like to receive the distinction of becoming the person
to write a dictionary on common usage bead terminology and etymology.
The person who accomplishes this may become highly regarded. FBC
Modified by Frederick II at Mon, Feb 19, 2018, 00:36:00
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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
02/19/2018, 05:01:40
blowing my own trumpet---with your permission-
it may have been my research that brought this name into popularity for necklaces- because when i researched for the talk i gave to the New York bead society in 1990-something on bead jewellery fashions, i was able to consult the then already 100-year-old mail order Liberty of London Christmas gift catalogues that they published, originals of which were held in the V&A art library. this was before the internet-( they were on microfiche-) they advertised many items of bead jewellery among other exotic things. in my first book, "Beads!" and my second one, "the Bead Jewellery book" i illustrated such necklaces and also gave examples with how-to instructions. in my recent 4th book on p.6 i even show some lovely green lampwork+foil Venetian beads with a Liberty price ticket saying "1½ d each". i don't call the long tasselled necklaces "Sautoirs" because sautoirs are worn diagonally.
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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
02/19/2018, 12:32:19
Thank you for a potential (and likely) explanation of the term. I don't think people would take your response as being inappropriately self-referential; at least, I didn't. I'm not clear about your comment that sautoirs were worn diagonally. (I'm picturing something looped from one shoulder, across the body, and under the opposite arm, but that couldn't be right.) Could you explain further? Thanks! PS: I wish your son could build his Garden Bridge on the remnant of the old eastern span of the Bay Bridge, in Oakland, CA, USA, or around Black Point in San Francisco to create a continuous coastal path in the northern part of the city!
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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
02/19/2018, 14:08:10
dear JRJ i believe the term Sautoir may come from "Saltire" which is a diagonal cross as seen on a flag. yes there do exist diagonally worn long loops of beads in various traditions... think of Miss World in her sash... or the leather bandoliers with rows of bullets... i notice "Sautoir" in some online dictionaries is not so specifically a single diagonal strand- however i prefer only to use the term to clearly distinguish a diagonally worn long necklace, and i describe other long necklaces as either a long continuous loop, a pendant necklace, a tassel necklace or a Liberty necklace, or the style that ties 2 ends together as a lariat style. its hard to imagine those in favour of women's suffrage wearing anything so long in the 1900s because you can't do much housework if your jewellery is so long that it will catch on the furniture...!
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
02/21/2018, 14:15:37
In China, sometimes for Court Portraits, three Mandarin Court Necklaces were worn -one under each arm. But it seems to me, wearing a necklace diagonally would have been very unusual at any time in history.
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
02/18/2018, 20:26:49
In my bead photo index I called these "flame beads". I was fortunate in finding these two from different sellers over a period of time of maybe two years.
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02/18/2018, 20:30:24
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02/19/2018, 12:53:16
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
02/19/2018, 09:08:04
Several pages of the Sick Co. catalog show some of the variations of the FUROCA bead. Enjoy!
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Posted by: Biddulph Post Reply
02/20/2018, 11:05:36
Question. Where did Liberty source the necklaces ? I have two Liberty hand me down brooches and beads purchased in the 1950s. I always assumed they were from the prolific Birmingham Jewellry Quarter, but maybe not !
Biddulph
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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
02/20/2018, 23:30:04
i believe they were threaded in Venice because they are found on fine linen thread, - unless they are on nylon monofilament fishing line in which case they are more recent and could have been threaded almost anywhere...
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
02/22/2018, 12:25:25
Some repeats but I though I'd post for completeness.
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
02/22/2018, 12:26:24
Not sure about the construction on these.
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02/24/2018, 14:04:04
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