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Posted by: Cody Post Reply
05/23/2017, 09:14:44

For the past few days, I have been bothered by a question bouncing around in my head. Some of you might have strong feelings about this so I decided to post it here. If you have thoughts or insights, I hope you’ll share them. This is not a thesis I’m seeking to defend and it’s very possible I am ill-informed or narrow in my thinking with some of what I will share below. If you have heat to bring, I can take it – just know I’m hoping to explore an idea, not position myself as an expert on the matter. The question is this:

Has the golden age of glass bead collecting passed?

Ugly, I know. Personally, I find the question deflating. I’d love the answer to be a resounding “NO.” Yet, I still think it’s worth exploring because regardless of the answer, now may be a good time to consider some themes and projects that could be helpful for our passion today and for others in the future.

Most of my feelings on this are tied to my own experiences and what I have valued or taken enjoyment in over the past 30 years of collecting. I should point out I’m about 40-years-old, so keep that in mind if you are inclined to compare your experiences to mine. You might be thinking that a 10-year-old or teen can’t really be a hardcore collector, but those years were incredibly formative for me when it comes to beads so despite a small collection at that time, I think it must be considered.

To fully explore my thoughts, it’s important to construct the following framework. One of my hypotheses is that most of us came to bead collecting through some sort of associated interest. For example, there are cultural enthusiasts for whom beads are a manifestation of a broader cultural interest, ie: Africa and its related arts, First Nation peoples and cultures, American history (rendezvous types) etc. For others, bead collecting may be more about production methods and artistic exploration. These might be artists who explore creative concepts and process through beads. There are probably some glass enthusiasts here that collect beads, paper weights, figurines, etc. There are likely jewelry types that love wearing beads and (I gotta say it) there may be others who associate beads with their youth or cultural movements. Some are true academic researchers who study beads in a classical sense. The source of our collecting interests is important because it may indicate where bead collecting will go in the future. Are there other affinities that brought you to collecting?

Next, I’m thinking of seminal moments that have happened over the past thirty years. My sense is many of you could add a lot to this list and do so better than I. Here’s what comes to my mind though this is a brain dump, so please know I’ve not tried to list these chronologically.
-- Polymer clay emerges providing opportunities for experimentation and exploration
-- A renaissance of lampwork emerges from the Pacific Northwest.
-- Society of Glass Bead Makers is founded (?)
-- Several bead shows make the circuit in the early 90s.
-- The sudden influx of contemporary beads on the market generally, including India face beads, India Chevrons, Peruvian clay beads, those colorful drawn glass beads, Chinese lampwork and mille beads, Pandora-style beads, molded glass, and Chinese chevrons that had everyone in a tizzy
-- Beadcollector.net. Yay!
-- Ebay and trends toward online bead sales
-- The internet generally
-- Brick and mortar bead stores enjoy varying levels of success (at least in my area)
-- Lois Dublin’s A History of beads and other seminal publications
-- Shifting winds in business on Murano (which I am too ill-informed to articulate very well)
-- Perhaps changes in the look and feel of bead shows in Tuscon (???)
-- Proliferation of African exports and their availability (I know very little about this, actually)
-- For you hard core collectors of antiquities, I’m sure you could describe important developments that impacted the availability of bead related artifacts on the market. I’m thinking ancient antiquities as well as things like the availability of D’zi beads, coral, etc.
--The disappearance of two bead museums. Note that I don’t say failure because I don’t know what happened, just that they existed, but no longer do.

With these two big ideas on the table, let me synthesize how I see them interacting now or in the future. Where illustrative, I’ll use myself as an example.
-- For me, bead collecting or even bead viewing was/is about the thrill of the hunt. In my early days, I had to work hard to find or view beads. These actions cast additional lights on my bead mental map (ie: “Oh, I didn’t know chevron beads came in those colors”). Today, the thrill of seeing beads I’d not seen before is largely dead. Bead photos are prolific and the Internet has placed lots of eye candy at my figure tips.
-- As some of you have described, I too found great opportunities for experimentation in polymer clay. It was a new media with new possibilities. But it isn’t new anymore. That’s not to say “it’s all been done,” not by a long shot, but the novelty has passed and I’m not sure people are still using clay to explore early glass production processes.
-- I really had to work hard to start making glass beads in the early to mid 90’s. I made lots of phone calls. It was like detective work. Today the stain glass shop not three miles from my house sells glass rods and everything you need for lampworking. In my early years, people like Brian Kirkvliet and Patty Frantz were like mythical bead demigods. Today, anyone can make glass beads. My point is this, beadmaking was a big part of my bead enthusiasm. I hypothesis that bead making was a boon to bead collecting. I’m not sure that is the case anymore and the contemporary resurgence of bead making media and technologies is NOT going to happen again.
-- I’m uncertain as to the current state of bead exports from Africa. Some of you relate anecdotes of buying imports at insanely low prices decades ago. I don’t think that is ever going to happen again. Plus, global interest means there are deep pockets internationally and I’d be curious to know if there has been a dramatic shift, globally speaking, in where collectibles are ending up.
-- For those collecting beads as historical artifacts, we have to ask if “historicity” will apply to more contemporary beads 50 or so years down the road from now. To me the quintessential example is whether or not Chinese Chevrons will ever be considered collectibles. Are Venetian chevrons collectible because of their individual movement and history, or is it their method of creation or some other factor that makes them collectible?
--I think we must consider that some elements of bead enthusiasm are generational. Do Millennials have the same enthusiasm for beads that some Boomers do? Also, I would love to know more about what some of you Boomers plan to do with your collections - you know - when you don’t need possessions anymore. Candidly, I’m not sure what I think about museum donation. Exhibit space is a precious commodity so I’d hate to overstate any overly-romantic ideals of displaying beads for generations. A lot of awesome art and artifacts sit in storage. Some may see donation as a way of making beads available for study, but I have to ask, study by whom? Do we see a rich vibrant future for the study of glass beads? I’d love to think so, though I’m not convinced. If estate collections return to the market, what does that look like? Increasingly, highly collectible material is likely to find itself in “deep pockets.” That’s fun for some, but I don’t think it advances the craft of collecting broadly speaking. That kind of narrow outcome can’t be particularly helpful.

Well, there you go. Not all of you will relate with what I have written and that’s totally fine. I also acknowledge my thoughts reflect my own experiences. However, I’m starting to wonder if living collectors need to start thinking in terms of documenting what the past 30-50 years have meant to bead collecting. Is it possible that you are an important part of a historical narrative that should be recorded? Rick Rice’s passing shook me. Thanks to social media he’s one of those people I would call a friend but whom I never met in person. I’m so saddened by his death and I feel regret that I don’t know more about his collection, interests, experiences and the process he used to grind cane. I regret not reaching out more. There are many of you on this forum whom I’ve never met, but I want to know your stories. To me YOU are the golden age of bead collecting and you have done something remarkable.

As a community, is it worth consider the following:
-- Is there interest in collecting oral histories of bead collectors/makers?
-- Is there merit in encouraging young collectors?
-- What is the state of bead research? What is its future.
-- How do we enhance global collecting networks so that we can enjoy learning from and connecting with others around the world?
-- Are there ways we can elevate the conversations on this forum? What do want our experiences here to look like? Personally, I miss the cool bead photos and I sometimes wonder, where certain voices have gone. Can we tell more stories or share more bead collecting adventures? Can we ask more questions and have more education?

If you made it this far, thank you. My thoughts are a little disorganized, but I feel alright about sharing them with you, even if a little undercooked. I’d really love your thoughts on any or all of this.



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Re: Glass Bead Collecting: Past, Present, & Future -- Cody Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
05/23/2017, 12:33:32

There is a lot to read, but I'll make a couple of comments.

The bead industries of Venice, Czechoslovakia, and Germany have collapsed compared to the past. Much of the production has shifted to India, China, and Indonesia. I feel the need to find European made beads NOW while it's still possible to identify and find them.

Disappearance of Moretti glass rod and cane hurt American glass lampworkers hugely. Paula Franz used it to beautiful and skilled effect. Boro glass is nice, but it's just not the same, appearance-wise. Is Paula still making beads? I bought a bead from her in person, a feathered tabular bead, but unfortunately not one of her top end beads. I wanted to learn glass lampworking but didn't get very far. I'm sure Moretti glass was a satisfying product. It went away just as I began to study more about glass.

This forum has a great wealth of bead information. I would hope to see much of the information preserved beyond the tenure of the present owners, but how? There is wonderful information to be found on the internet, but it's sad to think it might all disappear one day. We have to be concerned to preserve both our beads and our information about them, daunting tasks alike.

It doesn't take long for bead knowledge to become confused in the marketplace. I'm in discussion groups for Ebay sellers. When beads are shown for identification, seldom does anyone else give 'correct' answers. Everything is 'Murano'. Few know Chinese beads from India or Japan or Venice. Campfire names shift around. In the 10 -15 years I've been bead hunting online, the word Sommerso has mostly disappeared where it used to be used widely. Copper fluss has taken it's place. All of a sudden I see 'latticino' used inaccurately... (been sending messages to such sellers). Sellers often say Venetian about many beads from Asia.

All I have to say about that is don't get your education by reading Ebay listings... you might become misinformed.

One thing I wonder: do we currently have young collectors? What will happen to get them interested again?

Interest in trade beads surged a second time in the 1980s/90s due in part to the interests of Grateful Dead fans/followers. I saw more trade beads worn by 'Dead heads' than any other people. I'm a 'boomer', but it was this second wave of bead-love in America that caught my interest. I was already familiar with trade beads in the 60s/70s but was not in a position to buy until 1990 when a bead store opened in Claremont, California.



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Re: we must preserve both beads and information about them -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: art Post Reply
05/24/2017, 16:48:40

Moretti (Efettre) glass is still available and Frantz art glass is still in business selling it in Washington. I don't know if Patty is still making beads but they are still selling supplies to the bead making community. Patty definitely made some outstanding beads and was one of the founders of the modern glass bead making movement. The price of Moretti hasn't really gone up much since 1990. It's a bargain. Boro glass has gotten wider use due to the large pipe making community that has grown in the last couple of decades. For some, using boro to make beads is less scary due to its greater ability to withstand heat shock, and many in the pipe community have taken to making some beads with the material they are familiar using. That being said the market for artist made glass beads is just not that vigorous. Most collector interest is in old beads. So fewer people are finding bead making a viable path to follow. Glass work requires dedicated space, tools and materials that can add up to not insignificant expense. Skills are not easily nor quickly acquired. Many people pursue it at a hobby level and then give it up because they can't sustain the cost of doing it. Still some of us can't help ourselves, particularly those of us who have been at it for a long time. The beads must be made.

Frantz Art Glass
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As Sonny and Cher sang so many years ago
The Bead Goes On

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Currently, the Chinese and Thai are experiencing their golden years…again.
Re: Glass Bead Collecting: Past, Present, & Future -- Cody Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
05/23/2017, 16:08:21

I appreciate having been part of the California Golden Bead Rush. But I see the past forty years in Northern California as only one of many places and eras in the History of Beads.

Cody, I feel your questions and observations are beautiful and well thought out. I would like to hear more from you and others who seem to be lurking in the dark.

Meanwhile, I feel you are one of the enlightened few who is basking in sunshine. You know much and your participation on BCN would be highly valued, I feel.



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Some thoughts on your thoughts
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
05/24/2017, 11:51:45

Hi Cody,
Thanks for the interesting post on bead collecting...

I'd like to address your main question and probably have more questions than remarks -

You ask "Has the golden age of bead collecting passed"? My first question is - are you referring to just the US, and are you thinking about the cost and availability of glass beads, or interest in the history of glass beads? Or all of the above?

Demographics is certainly playing a part. There are a lot of Baby Boomers, so right now the boomers are over-represented in the bead collector world, and the boomers are an aging group, with arguably more disposable income that the smaller generations coming after us. So as the Boomers and their collections have matured, yes, I see a decline in purchases in this age group (since the collections have grown large with time), but not a decline in their INTEREST in beads. So if the Golden Age of Beads means lots of cheap antique and older beads, yes it seems that the golden age has passed. Prices are softer than a few years ago but still high enough to be a barrier to new collectors of modest means.

New collectors also have the hurdle of learning how to tell certain beads from their more modern copies. But, I think it's always been the case that bead collecting requires a lot of study. New information surfaces continuously and is more available than ever before with the internet. I have been able to access German journals from the late 19th century, for example - something that would have required a trip to Germany 25 years ago. New work on the history of beads is mostly available on the internet, too. There of course are gaps in what can be accessed online, but that's true of any scientific or technical discipline. I still make trips to libraries and request book loans.

As sellers have moved online it would make sense that fewer "important" beads are to be found in the venues familiar to the collectors of yore - flea markets, yard sales, antique shops, bead shows, etc. From my perspective, the internet has ushered in a Golden Age of bead collecting!

My perspective is that of a late-comer - I've only been collecting old glass beads for 8 years now. To me, the global bead collector community is vibrant. Also, there are museums with notable bead collections in Europe so I'm not too concerned that the ones in the US, which were fairly recent developments, have closed. Private holdings such as the Picards' are still extant. I have heard of one other long-time collector that may be opening a private museum for his collection.

So the "bead" goes on!



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Re: Glass Bead Collecting: Past, Present, & Future -- Cody Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
05/24/2017, 13:19:14

I too am fairly new to bead collecting. It has been about 10 years ago that I picked up my first collectible beads with the interest to learn more about them.

It seems to me that a lot of what is changing in the world of bead collecting, is changing in the world of collecting as well. A friend of mine used to collect a specific book that would be available only once a year, in an annual edition. It brought him great joy to chase the ones he did not have yet. I once asked him which ones were still missing, and within 10 minutes I ordered one of them online from a specialized dealer. When I gave it to him, he asked me where I got it. I told him: 'You don't want to know'. His joy of collecting was the hunt, and I did not want to take that away.

The online marketplace for collectibles may have taken away some of the magic of collecting. For some people, this makes a big difference. For others, not so much.

I would love to see more knowledge being shared on beads and bead research. I try to do my part, for example by trying to get more information on bead history to current lampwork artists, and doing research. Others are doing the same.

However, I agree that so many of the collectors who have been at this so much longer, have a wealth of knowledge. It would be great if more of this knowledge could be written down, shared, captured.

I do not think the golden age of bead collecting has passed, but I do think it has changed, and it is very much 'in flux'. Preparing for the Borneo Bead Conference later this year, seeing the speakers, reading the old journals, made me see so many bead researchers that I had never heard of, mostly from Asia. Perhaps in the US and in Europe, bead collecting is not at it's peak right now, but interesting things appear to be happening in other places. Or maybe it always has been, but it has only now appeared on my radar.

Very specifically: my interesting in collectible beads made me want to make my own glass beads. Now, I try to connect the two. Birdi, you stated that Moretti glass was no longer being made. From what I understood, Effetre is the current producer of the Moretti glass rods. Same glass, new name. The other Italian glass rod producer is Vetrofond. There's also beautiful lampwork rods being made in Lauscha, Neugablonz and Jablonec.



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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
05/25/2017, 19:13:43

Cody,
I encourage you to start writing about your own areas of interest, with some history added. There are many venues for self-publishing, such as small booklets like Floor has published, that are not too expensive. I have fooled around with Blurb, using guidance from Floor, and it's not that hard to learn. I'm sure there are other possibilities for publishing as well.

So please consider contributing your expertise to the chronicle of beads!



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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
05/26/2017, 11:35:49

"How do we enhance global collecting networks so that we can enjoy learning from and connecting with others around the world?"

China is a problem.

Their production of beads now attracts buyers from around the globe.
Repros of such things as old Venetian, ancient Chinese glass, Dzi beads is one thing, but the immense variety of beads now pouring out is just staggering. It pretty much makes it impossible for any artisan bead maker to actually earn a living making studio beads. even with the internet providing wider venues such as eBay and Etsy? What about TaoBao?

And since Xi Jinping's crackdown on The Great Firewall, correspondence with anyone in China seems to have become far more difficult than it was a few years ago - and may actually endanger Chinese correspondents in ways we know not.

Accessing Chinese websites and using Google Translate is also not without hazards, from spam emails and tracking cookies if nothing else. Anyone here using a VPN? Ad blocker?

So we can buy beads from the Chinese, but we cannot discuss much with them anymore?



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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
05/28/2017, 09:17:09

Fashion, status diplay - beads always seem to have an uncertain roller-coaster relationship to status. Times change. Signifiers shift with fashion.

Hanging something on your person says something.
As does not hanging something.

Signifiers.

Who are you trying to impress? And what are you trying to tell them?



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Cody, thank you for your post here.
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
05/28/2017, 12:45:17

Fragments of everything you discuss pop up in all of our heads... but to see it all in one narrative is almost overwhelming, but thank you!
With BCN's 15th anniversary I've been mulling over the future of collecting as well.

And I also miss many of those who have moved on, perhaps selling off their collections or just losing interest. My interest has never waned, probably never will, but yes, I am wondering what to do with my excess...flea markets are no longer attracting "bead people" because the internet has become such an effective marketplace. We do a couple of flea markets a year. I have for over 30 years, matter of fact. And I notice most people who show up don't even have the attention span to look at items as small as beads. Those people are at home shopping on line now....

Bead societies across the country are generally becoming seed beading groups, bead bazaars are shrinking or folding...but the big world markets are still doing well. For us in the U.S., it's Tucson. That has become an informal global bead society....

I think I've passed on enough bead knowledge to our son to make sense of my pile whenever my body should decide it's had enough...he knows the important material, where it is and what it's worth, and that the only place to go with it is Tucson...

Museums? I'm not very optimistic about how they will handle bead collections...and am almost more in favor of bead collections being auctioned or sold to private collector individuals who will wear them, use them, re-sell them to collectors who appreciate them...rather than have them sit unappreciated in a museum store room, or sold out the back door...

And, despite our archaic software, BCN continues and will as long as possible. It is impossible to transfer it to any other forum software. It remains a wealth of information for anyone with the curiosity to search, either using the site search engine or Google. And Google images can take you to much BCN info as well. This week David is doing a full site backup. The first and smallest directory is in it's second day of backup. After it's all done, our current hard drive will be fried, and then David will replace it with the new one in the wings. This is an example of how your help in the fundraisers literally helps the site to stay on line!



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¿How about making: "BEADCOLLECTOR.NET -THE BOOK"...
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This is the digital age. Maybe it would fit on a CD ... or 6.... or a dozen...
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How about a CD (or a dozen... or a hundred). Or a virtual cloud storage file?
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52 hours hi-speed broadband to complete download of entire site backup...
Re: How about a CD (or a dozen... or a hundred). Or a virtual cloud storage file? -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
05/29/2017, 20:57:29

At this point, the site is...B I G....Maybe about 12 dvds, but David says best delivered on a solid state drive...but we are talking about this...why? Every single day the content increases.

David keeps backup on it's own SSD with it's own operating system.



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you have a wonderful record of this time in the history of beads
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05/30/2017, 00:51:18



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I did a little of this already
Re: ¿How about making: "BEADCOLLECTOR.NET -THE BOOK"... -- Frederick II Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
05/28/2017, 19:14:12

When researching phenolic beads, I searched BCN and printed out every thread I could find on the subject. It was very tedious and comprised about a 2" stack of paper.

Here's what I suggest - divide and conquer. If you have a favorite bead topic, or BCN forum member, conduct searches, copy everything into a Word file, then edit it. Create your own mini archive on your topic. The people volunteering to do this can agree on a format, like Blurb, and then start publishing the BCN Archive series.

But, it may be more practical to do as Chris suggests and have this project be only electronic. However that involves Joyce and David using more of their time & energy & money to host the separate archives somehow.

To do any one topic will be a "labor of love" and will require a large commitment of time, I'm afraid...Fred, I think you should do the "ojime" archive!



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Posted by: Paula e Post Reply
05/28/2017, 20:01:42

One can do pretty accurate searching of BCN archives using Google advanced search strategies.
Use site:beadcollector.net as well as your keywords. If you wish to "not" out some
key words you can use a minus sign before the term you wish to omit. You can limit dates,, and more. And of course one can use the Google image search for keywords with the same site: command and specify color as well.

Lots of good options using Google.
Paula.


Here's one page of an example searching pumtek on BCN.

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Posted by: Biddulph Post Reply
06/02/2017, 12:36:24

Seems many contributors to BeadCollectors are artists themselves, whether they make beads, reuse beads, or creatively display them. That and the joy of the 'hunt' and the intrinsic curiosity to discover how beads are, were, and can be made. Sadly most millennials are fashionista 'minimalists'', haven't inherited the collecting gene, and are indifferent to handicrafts ( perhaps because they have never had the necessity to make anything ). I've been lucky to have the friendship of several great Collectors, all of whom are now wondering about the eventual fate of their beautiful collections. Realistically donations Museums are are no, no, most already having too much stuff hidden away in basements. However I'm very encouraged by the reactions of the 4 year olds who visit me and declare my home 'interesting' ! Maybe the collecting enthusiasm will yet be reignited.

Biddulph

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