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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
03/07/2017, 20:38:55

The beads pictured here were posted by Beadiste in 2014. I believe similar beads were posted by Stephany.

Beadiste wrote they appear to date to the last-quarter-19th century and Frederick pointed out the beads have astonishingly fine wirework. I'm in awe.

I saw this platter on eBay and think it bears a striking resemblance to these beads. If perhaps not by the same maker, surely from the same period of Japanese cloisonne.

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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
03/07/2017, 20:46:30

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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
03/07/2017, 23:02:34

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These examples are early Meiji, made circa 1868.
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
03/08/2017, 01:45:20

Sometimes, sellers will unwittingly call them "Chinese Ming." But they're definitely Japanese and often used as ojime.



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Re: These examples are early Meiji, made circa 1868.
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
03/08/2017, 01:56:29

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One newer Chinese bead seems to have been accidentally mixed in with the old Japanese beads:
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
03/08/2017, 02:12:17

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Not accidental - a comparison of the two styles
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/08/2017, 08:23:10

The Chinese goldfish bead is indeed about a hundred years newer than the Japanese examples, but the precision of the wirework on such a tiny thing seemed comparable. A more free-flowing naturalistic design vs brocade pattern - a difference in concept, not skill.



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Original article examines relationship of cloisonne beads and Japanese Doro shippo
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/08/2017, 08:27:20

http://www.beadiste.com/2014/09/puzzling-evidence-japanese-cloisonne.html

Plus link in the UPDATE section to Frederick's excellent beads posted right here in beadcollector.net


Related link: http://www.beadiste.com/2014/09/puzzling-evidence-japanese-cloisonne.html

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Thank you.
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
03/09/2017, 03:52:38



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Japan 1868.
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
03/09/2017, 02:22:41

In the 1920's these would have looked good spaced evenly on a long and fine gold chain, which was the style at the time.

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Ever since I began collecting, these beads inspired me. Finally I have some.
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03/09/2017, 03:26:01

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Two views of the same necklace. Different sides. Different lighting.
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
03/09/2017, 03:30:29

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Amazing, beautiful beads! Thanks for showing them.
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
03/09/2017, 05:55:11



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Fred, these are SO beautiful. I hope you will wear them somewhere that
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Posted by: nharlow42 Post Reply
03/09/2017, 17:03:11

I may also happen to be so that I can touch them with my hands some day. Really the best beads I've seen in a very long time. Thanks for sharing them.

Nora



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Awesome hoard of awesome beads!
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
03/09/2017, 10:11:14



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Magnificent. Thank you for sharing.
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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
03/09/2017, 21:11:33



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Very very n*I^cE
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03/09/2017, 07:55:13



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