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Posted by: paeonia Post Reply
10/13/2016, 06:04:03

Did you know about these beads? At first sight I did jump but at touch you feel immediatly it's not real.
Very well carved at 16x15mm graduating slightly, I don't know who was mading these. Molded plastic I guess but I don't find seams. There were no clasp so I added one to wear...
Anyway, they are well made and not identical some rounder some not, even with small imperfections around. Close up below...

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Could be Galalith
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
10/13/2016, 08:55:40

Galalith is a thermoset plastic so it has to be carved rather than molded. It was made in solid colors but a lot was made with just the surface dyed so that the carving revealed another color underneath.

If you want to test them - run very hot water over a few until they are heated up. Sniff immediately for an odor. If Galalith, they will smell like wet dog or burned milk. I have heard from a number of people that they can't smell anything in any of the sniff tests so this method also depends on having a keen sense of smell.

A lot of Galalith beads I see on eBay are mislabeled as Celluloid or Bakelite. Those are the ones I can easily identify by the pictures. Most plastic beads are very difficult to ID by just the photo.



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I did Rosanna and there's an odor but not conclusive, will try again tomorrow with hotter water :)
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10/13/2016, 10:51:00



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Very pretty. Could be Kenneth Jay Lane?
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
10/13/2016, 14:41:29

Your coral looking plastic are similar to the Chinese classic but common cinnabar ones. These were popular in the '30's and copies flooded the market beginning in the 70's until today.

For themselves and others, the Chinese are well known for making very attractive, labor intensive, knock offs of their own beads from history. Even today, you can easily have anything copied in China.

And in the early 80's Kenneth Jay Lane realistically revived and popularized the 1920's -'30's "Oriental" look -but in gorgeous plastic. I recall in the late 70's, early 80's: intentionally walking past a Coral Gables, Miami, shop where it was advertised Kenneth Jay Lane was having a trunk show. By chance, he was standing in front of the shop. And I often wish I'd had the courage to say "hello." He looked at me and smiled. I kept walking.

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But with much nicer carving. Those pinkies are lovely!
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Posted by: lindabd Post Reply
10/13/2016, 15:21:57



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Kenneth Jay Lane bio.
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10/13/2016, 15:38:40



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KJL examples of "carved" plastic Chinese beads
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
10/17/2016, 20:31:24

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Indeed I can't recognize the odor in your description Rosanna
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Posted by: paeonia Post Reply
10/15/2016, 08:11:42

as you said well, one may need very keen nose or be educated by an exprienced person... I'd rather think this might be a more common and modern type of acrylic resin.

As Fred suggested, rather from 80'-90'but still have no idea who made them and how...



Modified by paeonia at Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 08:13:07

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They so look carved to me..
Re: Indeed I can't recognize the odor in your description Rosanna -- paeonia Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: lindabd Post Reply
10/15/2016, 09:56:36

When you compare two beads side by side are they identical, or are there slight variations from bead to bead?
Do they feel a bit waxy or clean and hard?
Any trace of a seam anywhere?
I so like these beads - and vote for galalith by the looks of them in your photo.



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If acrylic there should be essentially no odor
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
10/15/2016, 10:58:07

Can you describe what you smelled?



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Lindabd and Rosanna, I'd say it seems at touch not as dry as old casein
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Posted by: paeonia Post Reply
10/15/2016, 13:47:26

beads that I have. Feel like a softer material that's why I thought about acrylic thing. The cliking sound is softer too.
Sizes and shapes vary slightly. You can see that if you look at closely the whole strand photo.
Oh my, for the smell, this is the hard part and I feel very dumb to put it this way : a kind of spicy odor like light curry powder.
Sorry for giving so faint impressions..!



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No idea about a plastic that smells spicy
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
10/16/2016, 20:40:15

Please let us know if you find out anything more. I'd love to have one for testing...I'm sure there are types of plastic used for beads that I haven't handled yet.

If at all possible, get some material or beads made from known plastics (use the recycling codes) to use as reference material.

A summary of odors - some only apparent when hot needled or flame tested:

Phenolic resin - medicinal odor of phenol
Amber - pine
Celluloid (cellulose nitrate or cellulose acetate made with camphor)- camphor
Galalith - wet dog or burned milk
Acrylic (Lucite) - no odor in hot water or reaming; fruity (over-ripe banana?) with hot needle
Polystyrene - smells like styrene, sometimes very strongly if newly made
Nylons (polyamides) - burned horn or hair
Horn - burned hair
Polyester - smells like polystyrene, but fainter
Polyethylene - burning candle wax or parafin
Epoxy - hard to describe, acrid odor that is distinctive once you've smelled it. I've seen the odor described as "sweet" but I disagree with that. However there are thousands of different epoxy formulations so I may not have encountered a sweet one. FYI I worked in an epoxy - based industry for 26 years.


These are the ones I'm personally familiar with, and I don't have a comprehensive knowledge of all the plastics that have been used to make beads (yet). I believe Carole Morris has studied plastic beads for quite a while so maybe she'll chime in!



Modified by Rosanna at Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 20:58:24

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I copied your list Rosanna to make further test with more time and for sure will let you know!
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Posted by: paeonia Post Reply
10/17/2016, 07:59:53



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One last try
Re: I copied your list Rosanna to make further test with more time and for sure will let you know! -- paeonia Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
10/17/2016, 18:53:16

Check out eBay 262677957176. The carving is different but the color is close. The seller says they are Celluloid beads.

In thinking about Celluloid as a possibility, I noted that camphor is actually used in cooking in India. So could the odor of celluloid possibly remind you of mild curry?

If you can get your hands on a white celluloid ping pong ball - they should be cheap enough - you can puncture the ball or otherwise abrade it to get a sample odor of camphor as it's found in celluloid plastic.

Good luck!



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