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Posted by: kitrescue Post Reply
08/03/2016, 18:06:25

After some discussion with a fellow BF member, I decided to post these photos and gather opinions as to whether the beads in the multi-bead photo are genuine antique Venetian bicones or reproductions. The single bead pictured is genuine, and I'm sure some members have this type of bead in their collections for reference. Thank you for any feedback.

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100% Venetian
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Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
08/03/2016, 18:43:45

Hi

I am the crazy person that purchased these and I have them in hand.
They are 100% correct and absolutely Venetian no question. They are in great condition.
The weight, color, glass quality, holes and quality of workmanship is the same as ones already in my collection, so as far I am concerned there is no question.

Wayne



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Posted by: kitrescue Post Reply
08/03/2016, 18:48:23

Thank you Wayne. The beads look so new, it was puzzling. However, there was a seller last year with groups of old stock, unused rare Venetian beads in lots that were snapped up as soon as they came to auction. One of the lots offered these types of bicone beads in the sale, maybe the ones you got came from that seller or are otherwise from an unused supply. Congratulations on your purchase!



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positively
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
08/03/2016, 18:55:51

And this bead type is neater to behold in person than in photos, by the way.


Related link: http://picardbeads.com/antique_beads/no_7390.html

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Absolutely genuine!
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
08/03/2016, 21:39:55

A few years ago I got about 15 of them on a very expensive strand of trade beads. I love to wear the necklace I made from them.

Wayne, you did well - they looked to be in superior condition!

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Wayne and Rosanna... I covet those too. Congrats!
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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
08/04/2016, 11:30:26

ooooooohhhh....... aaaaahhhhhhhh......

When we can't sound scholarly, we can ooooh and aahhh, and tell you how much we love them! Those babies are hard to find.

I'm sure you've noticed, right? All the beautiful E. Moretti beads coming out of Italy right now? On the 'big' selling site? With original tags... right?



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Posted by: Ethels beads Post Reply
08/04/2016, 01:13:29

Hello, I was the seller of these beautiful Venetian beads. It is sad that we have got to a stage where there are so many fakes out there that we have come to question everything. These beads were in superb condition,and to my knowledge had never been strung or used before.I know we need to be careful of reproductions, fakes ect but have we become so cynical that we are even suspicious of the most obviously genuine beautiful Venetian beads. I was sad to part with these but needs must, and I am so very glad they went to a lovely new home.



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Don't be discouraged
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
08/04/2016, 14:39:13

Hi Ethel,
The "problem", if you can call it that, occurs especially when a rare Venetian bead comes up for sale. It is sometimes very hard, even for the experts, to tell the origin. I got a set of strangely colored millefiori beads (olive green and dark red) a few years ago, and everyone, including myself, doubted they were Venetian. But then I found the exact bead on a Venetian bead sample card from the Sick collection.

So we should be happy that people post these inquiries since everyone in the BCN community continues to learn more about beads, especially folks that are new to collecting.

We all had to start from blissful ignorance at one time!



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Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
08/04/2016, 06:31:12

by the way to me they look like square "bicones"- technically octahedrons...

in Europe we may get a lot more Venetian beads (and necklaces) made for jewellery than you do?
they might be '50s...



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closer to Italy... lucky you
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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
08/04/2016, 11:25:37

Yes indeed, Stefany, I've notice there seem to be far more venetian beads available in Europe than the USA. I've often thought it is because of proximity. Americans must go on a significantly larger travel adventure to reach Italy, land of high-end Venetian beads and necklaces, than do Europeans.

A bead store owner in southern California once told me a woeful tale about trying to establish regular bead buying relations with Venetian bead makers... they only make very large deals, and they don't do business with women. Her husband had to do all the talking, but he had some other career, the bead business was hers.



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corner hole cubes
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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
08/04/2016, 13:26:17

Yes, the shape of the OP's beads are a little bit different than these corner perforated cubes I won recently. These are more readily available than the original beads on this post, but these are out of production too.

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interesting -what does OP stand for?
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Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
08/04/2016, 16:52:08

i also meant to say i'm away for a long week, on a retreat so will not be back online probably till 15th, but would like to find out as others use the initials OP...?



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Op = Original Poster
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Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
08/04/2016, 17:22:36



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Re: interesting -what does OP stand for? -- Stefany Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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08/04/2016, 17:42:47



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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
08/04/2016, 19:03:51

yes, sorry for the abbreviation.

OP is original poster.

(OOP is out of production.)



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08/05/2016, 20:50:28



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