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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/11/2014, 13:18:04

Inspired by Defiant Grae's post and Rubyzane's response, I thought it could be fun to show some of the beads we bought when we did not quite know enough to tell real from fake and other bead buying mistakes.

I'll start.....
First is a little bird bead, one of the first beads I showed on BCN. From my early days of bead collecting. Bought in Kashgar, Western China, traveling the Silk Road. Quite clearly a new replica, but I had no idea then.

Second is a more recent buy: bought in May in Beijing. A genuine Warring States bead. I could see something was off, but could not quite put my finger on it. Until, after I took it home, I actually put my finger on it, literally...... It has been 'restored' with polymer clay. The yellow eyes are soft dots of clay glued onto the bead.

No regrets on either of these. The first one was pretty cheap, and was part of great learning curve. The second one was not so cheap, but still a genuine bead with a great story.

So, don't be shy: what are your 'bead buying mishaps?'

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My mishap is Queen Size!
Re: Show us your bead buying mishaps! -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
12/12/2014, 04:56:22

Not one, not two... but of a lot of 29 Islamic Era oh-so-nice beads, 15 were found to be recently made!
First Tasart declared his doubts on a Forum thread I started; then Jamey, de viva voce after inspection in the flesh, kindly expertized.


CAVEAT EMPTOR

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Ouch.....
Re: My mishap is Queen Size! -- nishedha Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/12/2014, 05:06:09

I do think it is good to share these stories.....
Would you let us know which 15 were found to be fake?
I have my thoughts, some look like they may be fake, others might be Venetian instead of Islamic?



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Clearly...
Re: Ouch..... -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
12/12/2014, 09:16:07

...we learn from our mistakes.



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Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
12/12/2014, 09:19:26

This is the image where Tasart highlighted those beads that he deemed faked, dubious and OK.
He was remarkably accurate ( considering he was working on this not so good image only). If I remember well, red was FAKE, yellow was PERHAPS (although they were also fake) and green OK (although some of them were not good either).

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Re: Dont' you?
Re: Clearly... -- nishedha Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/12/2014, 09:48:41

You misunderstood me. I think it is a very good idea to share stories like this here! So thanks for sharing.



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I feel it is best to ID the seller privately -not on BCN- because he is not able to defend himself.
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Posted by: Frederick Post Reply
12/12/2014, 10:05:41

Frederick

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See your point
Re: I feel it is best to ID the seller privately -not on BCN- because he is not able to defend himself. -- Frederick Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/12/2014, 10:08:35

To me, my post was mostly about showing that anyone can make mistakes when buying and ID-ing beads. These stories are interesting to share. To me, it is not about 'shaming' a certain dealer, and I see your point there.



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"It is the journey, not the destination."
Re: See your point -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Frederick Post Reply
12/12/2014, 10:15:18

I find that the only way I have been able to get really good beads is by taking really big risks. Buying beads is like gambling. Sometimes you win big.

Sometimes you loose big. In the long run, hopefully, you break even; if you can endure the discomfort while traveling, the journey is always worth it.

Happy trails to you Peter and Floor. Looking forward to seeing you soon.

Frederick

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Venezia, 30 years ago...
Re: See your point -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: napoleone Post Reply
12/12/2014, 10:18:33

In 1984 I bought this necklace in a glass shop in Venice. The seller told me they were old Venetian millefiori; Few years after I learned they where new millefiori from India. I like them, but the equivalent of 90 euros(more or less 110 USD) was decisely absurd.
Giorgio

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my view
Re: Venezia, 30 years ago... -- napoleone Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
12/12/2014, 12:04:11

Among the dealers i know very few vendors who deceive intentionally, but generally they have far less accurate knowledge than specialist collectors and optimistically want to make a good sale.
Generally i buy in the flesh, not online or mail order, -from antique market dealers who are not very interested in their small bits if they arent gold or gemstones, so i dont even see stuff thats very highly priced. Under such conditions every purchase is an exciting risk, and occasionally there may be a treasure among the oddments.
there are ways of sharing what we know about beads without antagonising the person who is offering them. -perhaps by introducing the element of adventure and discovery together, and some copies are as interesting as what they imitate, reflecting another aspect of craft skill...



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All collectors sell a little. All dealers collect a little. And we all make mistakes.
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
12/12/2014, 12:31:52



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It can be confusing, too
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/13/2014, 01:48:22

About 8 years ago, I was selling new beads myself. Imported stuff from China and India, and away I went. I had these great turquoise chunky beads, and they would sell great. And then someone came up to me to tell me she thought they were fake. I thanked her, did my research, and from then on, they were labelled as turquoise colored stone. I was not trying to deceive anyone, had no clue about real turquoise. However, the people I sold to before, would have every reason to be annoyed with me.....



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Right!
Re: I feel it is best to ID the seller privately -not on BCN- because he is not able to defend himself. -- Frederick Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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12/12/2014, 11:11:43



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Posted by: Frederick Post Reply
12/12/2014, 11:59:40

I feel it would be helpful to contrast and compare right with wrong beads.
But all sellers are guilty of unwittingly selling fakes at one time or another.
Sometimes this happens because of ignorance. -Sometimes by passing errors on...
Challenging beads make better bead warriors of us in a minefield of possible mistakes.

Frederick

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The bird bead is very sweet.
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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
12/12/2014, 13:22:38

Too sad about the polymer clay dots!

Luann Udell artist & writer Ancient stories retold in modern artifacts LuannUdell.com

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Here is one from me
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Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
12/12/2014, 15:00:34

Took a chance on these on ebay didn't pay much luckily. I knew nothing about these type of beads but after posting these here on BCN I now know more. education costs but it is worth it.
Wayne

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your beads are great anyway
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Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
12/13/2014, 01:34:40

wayne
i'd have been happy to acquire a string of Indonesian beads like these!



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Would not have known....
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/13/2014, 01:51:30

If it weren't for the similar beads I found in a Brussels beads shop. Whenever I see interesting fakes, and they are cheap, I will buy them. A large part of my collection are fakes. There are quite a few beads of which I have no original, but plenty of fakes. I like the stories that come with them. And they are great education too.

Perhaps there is a book lurking in there some time.



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lets call them "tributes" rather than fakes...?
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Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
12/13/2014, 06:26:19



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I like that!
Re: lets call them "tributes" rather than fakes...? -- Stefany Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: rubyzane Post Reply
12/13/2014, 13:02:37

tributes....great way of describing our mistakes. I've definitely made mistakes, although don't have pictures or my camera handy to show right now, but unlike how "big" all of you have been, I still get angry or frustrated at myself! :) I do most of my buying on the internet as my life has not allowed me to travel much these past 12 years, & I've learned to ask more questions, see more pictures & try to know when it's important to jump & buy quickly or take more time to research. I'm sure I'll continue to make a mistake here & there, particularly as I start loving a new type of bead, a new tribe's work, etc. But it definitely makes me feel better hearing how all of you experts have done the same thing at times! So thanks for sharing...we are all definitely human, with flaws, thank God! :) Have a great weekend all. Lynne



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