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Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
03/22/2025, 11:18:20

I am afraid trading these three strands for a bracelet of nice, large ancient amazonite beads was a mistake.
Back at home suspicions aroused, and after unstringing one of them (see it here as the second pic) I am doubting them to be Venetian beads...although they do not look new.
The smallest is just 5mm x 2,5mm(!). Many are clumsy made. Most of them 4 layered, a few 5 and one 6 layered (12mmx11mm).
I would feel thankful for Forumite opinions.

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Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
03/22/2025, 11:23:00

Colors displayed in this image are more realistic.

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Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
03/25/2025, 02:11:37



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They look like antique Venetian to me
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
03/26/2025, 08:28:43

There are samples of small to very small (R 3467) chevrons in the Sick catalog, presumed to be from the early 1900s, probably 1920s-30s.

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THNKS A LOT
Re: They look like antique Venetian to me -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
03/26/2025, 12:48:43

...Rosanna, you restored my trust in humans.
Yes, some look very much like the smallest I have -- including this cylindrical one, that has not been ground into a fancier shape, thus not showing color lines on the outer surface.



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Re: Three strands of small chevron beads. -- nishedha Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/26/2025, 16:41:37

Nishedha (and anyone),

The easiest way to distinguish between Venetian chevron beads, and what might be copies or imitations involves examining the cross-section star pattern--because these can be made differently from one industry to another.

Venetian rosetta beads derive from star-molded canes. India has made imitations since 1985, but their canes are hot-striped, and severely lack precision. They are sloppy. Javanese canes appear to be modeled or sculpted. (Tooled.) These are slightly better than Indian canes, but are less-precise than Venetian canes.

Chinese manufacturers learned to copy the Venetian molded-cane method in the 1930s (+ or -). So their canes for beads were made "in the Venetian style." Since ca. 2003, Chinese manufacturers have cranked-out millions of new chevron beads. But until ca. 2006 the details (of the actual beads, NOT the canes) were contrary to appearing "Venetian." And also, so far, they have not made realistic copies of small chevron beads, in the style of beadmaking being discussed here. It has been remarked that Chinese canes and their beads are actually superior to many (older) Venetian beads. And I have to admit this is true-enough.

I am currently composing a pictorial essay on Venetian beadmaking, based around rosetta beads, for a Facebook Group. This will be followed by an exposition about how Indian beads are made and how the beads differ from Venetian beads. This is important, because, currently, the biggest ongoing glass bead scam, is the misrepresentation of recent Indian beads as "old Venetian trade beads." There are 100s of online offerings every day!

I will post my essays here once they are up at Facebook,

In the meantime, I agree that your chevron beads are Venetian. Whether you made a worthwhile trade or not depends upon the values of each. I hope you are satisfied!

JDA

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Oh Jamey...
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Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
03/27/2025, 01:06:50

Satisfied would be an undersatement: Je suis ravi! Overhelmed by your long, detailed, authoritative (and so on) response to my question.
And also relieved: after all my mistake was not such, although my expectations were probably exagerated.
Thank you again.



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I don't know what that number is and have NO IDEA why this posted twice! 😬
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04/30/2025, 08:55:28

Luann Udell artist & writer Ancient stories retold in modern artifacts LuannUdell.com

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yours!
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04/30/2025, 12:02:11



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I'd be delighted to take the weird ones! 😄
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04/30/2025, 08:55:30

Luann Udell artist & writer Ancient stories retold in modern artifacts LuannUdell.com

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