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Posted by: Fionna Post Reply
12/12/2020, 02:30:29

Does anyone has an idea about the material of this necklace? It is a huge necklace, quite heavy and it makes the bakelite sound when when the beads hit each other but it tests negative for bakelite. I purchased it on a Dutch marketplace website. The lady I bought it from (who collects jewelry herself) had no idea what material it was and it wasn't her style (nice of way of saying she hated it). I think it is beautiful whatever material it is. Could it be faturan?

The big beads are 4cm X 2cm, the smaller beads 1,5cm X 1,5cm. The weight is 227 grams (about half a pound).

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Re: Faturan? Recent plastics.
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Posted by: Hans06 Post Reply
12/12/2020, 02:46:44

Is it possible these beads are recent made in Indonesia? Maybe other newer plastics were used to create them.



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Re: Faturan? Recent plastics.
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Posted by: Hans06 Post Reply
12/12/2020, 02:46:44

Is it possible these beads are recent made in Indonesia? Maybe other newer plastics were used to create them.



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Posted by: Fionna Post Reply
12/12/2020, 05:37:31

Thank you for your answer. Is there a way to test this, or to test for faturan?



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Re: Re: Re: Faturan? Recent plastics. -- Fionna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Hans06 Post Reply
12/13/2020, 00:41:23



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Maybe Rosanne can help?
Re: Re: Re: Faturan? Recent plastics. -- Fionna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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12/13/2020, 00:42:48



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They look like new polyester beads
Re: Faturan? -- Fionna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/13/2020, 06:10:53

The density of polyester is about the same as phenolic resin so the beads probably “feel” as heavy.

Please send me your email by private message here and I’ll send you some info on Faturan, one of the early trade names for phenolic resin.



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Re: "Faturan"
Re: Faturan? -- Fionna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
12/13/2020, 11:37:21

I am not aware that anyone has presented a strand of imitation-amber prayer beads (nor other formats) that can be identified as consisting of "Faturan."

For the most part, the "story of Faturan" is presented as an impossible fable (if only because the time presented is 100 years too early).

Without exception, the beads I have seen that were being misrepresented as "Faturan" were (I am confident) merely European cast phenolic plastic beads. I do not refer to these products as "Bakelite" for reasons I have explained many many times.

I cannot identify your beads from a photo. But I can recommend that you perform the rub test, brine test, and hot-needle test—and perhaps you will have a more-clear idea what your beads consist of.

Here's a link from 2006: http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=41103&iZz=41103&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0

Jamey


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A L O N G Dialogue from 2006
Re: Re: "Faturan" -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
12/13/2020, 11:43:42

In this dialogue, note my multiple replies toward the end, and that tests for "amber" are included and described.

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=41959&iZz=41959&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0


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A Recent Dialogue on "Faturan"
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
12/13/2020, 11:49:56


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A link to my Faturan bead article
Re: Faturan? -- Fionna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/13/2020, 21:09:26

Please let me know if this doesn't work.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346974078_A_Faturan_Phenolic_Resin_Bead_Sample_Card

If you join the Society of Bead Researchers, you will get two Newsletters a year with short bead articles like this as well as the annual journal, BEADS.



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Re: A link to my Faturan bead article
Re: A link to my Faturan bead article -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Fionna Post Reply
12/13/2020, 23:56:36

Thank you all for the info!



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Re: A "Faturan" Card
Re: A link to my Faturan bead article -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
12/14/2020, 21:35:03

I am very disinclined to believe these beads are actually "Faturan." Rather, I suppose whomever made this card appropriated the name and attached it to the card and the beads.



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Why do you think that?
Re: Re: A "Faturan" Card -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/15/2020, 05:31:38

Faturan beads were being advertised in the interwar period, so what makes you think the card was mislabeled?



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