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Cobalt blue glass drop beads Teotitlan Mexico 1700’s
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Posted by: metateman Post Reply
10/23/2020, 14:37:34

Hello to all

I was cleaning my garage and finally came across my old cobalt blue beads
a very close friend collected in Teotitlan Oxaxaca Mexico in 1969

So it was a great feeling to find these after so many years. I never loose anything maybe misplace a few things from time to time.

At Tucson this year Jamey had a necklace with a few of these coblat beads.I do not remember the name given to these beads nor the time frame that they were produced I believe Jamey may have said Spain??

So a few pics to share my find today.
Enjoy the pics and I will await info from our group
sincerely from Walter Anderson

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San Pedro Quiatoni
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10/24/2020, 00:47:26



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Posted by: Metateman Post Reply
10/24/2020, 07:17:59

Thanks for the name. The name San Pedro Quiatoni is another Zapotec village in Oaxaca
These beads as I mentioned before were collected in 1969 in Teotitlan del Valle Oaxaca
I welcome all other information about them

From the posts, on google, sounds like these could have come with Hernan Cotes in the 1500’s ???????

I welcome all who know about them share their knowledge of these early European glass trade beads



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Re: San Pedro Quiatoni Pendants
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
10/25/2020, 15:15:02

Hello Walter,

It is my opinion that the SP Quiatoni pendants are much more recent than from Early Contact times. It has been reported that one was seen to have a murrina attached to it—which might suggest a time as late as the mid-19th C. SPQ necklaces (in the 1970s) were thought to be fairly rare. But, by now, I have seen so many, I can believe they are not nearly as old as previously thought.

Some seem to have been restrung, and beads removed or added. So these can be a jumble of beads from different times. But most beads are fairly recent; and seldom from as early as possibly the 17th C.

Jamey



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Posted by: Metateman Post Reply
10/25/2020, 18:44:38

Hello Jamey

Please tell me how you date the necklace you had at the show??

I really cannot imagine any of these necklaces to still be strung on fiber or early cotton string.

This was restrung on a waxed string by my friend before he passed. As I mentioned he spent about 10 years in Teotitlan del Valle going back and forth to Laguna Beach.

If I recall he had 3 or f4 necklaces with the clear, cobalt and some light green pendants.

His main focus was cochineal weaving by the Zapotec pre 19th century

I have some clear ones somewhere I will share when I find them

Sincerely from Walter



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Re: San Pedro Quiatoni Necklaces
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
10/28/2020, 19:06:43

Well Walter,

As I remarked, many (perhaps most) SPQ necklaces have been restrung and changed. Without knowing a specific history, I would have to date a necklace as "recent" based on the lines used. Any construction, as likely as not, is going to include a hogepoge of beads from different times. It would be abundantly easier to give the beads, group by group, a time range.

But trying to date such a necklace is practically pointless.

I, myself, have restrung a number of SPQ necklaces—and I have altered them to the specifications of the client.

JDA.



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Posted by: Metateman Post Reply
10/29/2020, 07:21:39

Hello Jamey

I am only interested to know about the long slender cobalt beads. Not all the other various beads strung with the long beads.

I will say I do not believe we can ever see a SPQ necklace as it was originally strung.

I have even written a letter to the Museum of the Americas director in Madrid Spain , as she is a friend.
If she can see in the ships logs any mention of trade beads for the native people of Mexico and South America.

She replied they are in the process of digitizing all the ships records and logs kept by the ships Captins.

Could be interesting. She is unfamilar with this shape of long bead with a looped top.


All for now.



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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
10/29/2020, 12:28:14

Hi Walter,

OK. You asked, "Please tell me how you date the necklace you had...."

And that is the question I responded to. J.



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10/29/2020, 12:28:15



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10/24/2020, 07:57:30



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