Post: Post Reply: Thanks for the re-sze editing and one observation by beadiste

Original Message: Thanks for the re-sze editing and one observation

OK, a couple of observations:
1) The archaeology articles about Mali haven't mentioned stone beads (at least, the ones I've been able to read) and seem to confine their efforts to excavation levels deemed below cal.1400 A.D. Only glass beads get a mention.
2) Reports seem to indicate that the Jenne/Jenno was a multi-cultural city, but when Islamicization began to take hold, the Dogon moved away to the Bandiagara cliffs area to escape forced conversion or enslavement (because "pagans" were fair game to eslave). According to the McIntosh works cited by Wikipedia, Jenne/Jenno began to decline c900 and was abandoned around 1400. So whose beads were left in the Jenne/Jenno cemetaries? Or were the stone beads actually found there, and not in, for example, the Tellem graves in Dogon territory?
(Per Google AI: "The Tellem were the primary inhabitants of the Bandiagara Escarpment from the 11th to the 16th centuries, before the Dogon arrived. The Dogon name: The Dogon use the name Tellem, which means "we found them," to refer to the people who previously inhabited the cliff. Distinct culture: The Tellem left behind elaborate granaries and dwellings built high in the cliffs, many of which were later used by the Dogon for burials. Their distinct artistic style, including tall, narrow wooden figures, also influenced Dogon art. Disappearance: The Tellem population was largely depleted by the 15th and 16th centuries, possibly due to drought, famine, or slave raids from surrounding empires. While some Tellem may have integrated with the Dogon, others are believed to have fled south into modern-day Mali and Burkina Faso.
The Toloy culture The Toloy culture is an even earlier predecessor, dating to the 3rd to 2nd centuries BC. Archaeological evidence indicates they inhabited the region and practiced burial rites within the same cliffs that the Tellem and Dogon would later use.")
It's a complicated area. In this article, the word "bead" appears exactly once. https://www.101lasttribes.com/tribes/dogon2.html
Ditto the Wikipedia article - one appearance of "bead" "Specifically, glass beads found at the site have been dated to as early as the third century BC and appear to originate from Asia to the Mediterranean Near East"
Oh well. Aother mystery, unsolved.
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Original Message: Thanks for the re-sze editing and one observation
OK, a couple of observations: 1) The archaeology articles about Mali haven't mentioned stone beads (at least, the ones I've been able to read) and seem to confine their efforts to excavation levels deemed below cal.1400 A.D. Only glass beads get a mention. 2) Reports seem to indicate that the Jenne/Jenno was a multi-cultural city, but when Islamicization began to take hold, the Dogon moved away to the Bandiagara cliffs area to escape forced conversion or enslavement (because "pagans" were fair game to eslave). According to the McIntosh works cited by Wikipedia, Jenne/Jenno began to decline c900 and was abandoned around 1400. So whose beads were left in the Jenne/Jenno cemetaries? Or were the stone beads actually found there, and not in, for example, the Tellem graves in Dogon territory? (Per Google AI: "The Tellem were the primary inhabitants of the Bandiagara Escarpment from the 11th to the 16th centuries, before the Dogon arrived. The Dogon name: The Dogon use the name Tellem, which means "we found them," to refer to the people who previously inhabited the cliff. Distinct culture: The Tellem left behind elaborate granaries and dwellings built high in the cliffs, many of which were later used by the Dogon for burials. Their distinct artistic style, including tall, narrow wooden figures, also influenced Dogon art. Disappearance: The Tellem population was largely depleted by the 15th and 16th centuries, possibly due to drought, famine, or slave raids from surrounding empires. While some Tellem may have integrated with the Dogon, others are believed to have fled south into modern-day Mali and Burkina Faso. The Toloy culture The Toloy culture is an even earlier predecessor, dating to the 3rd to 2nd centuries BC. Archaeological evidence indicates they inhabited the region and practiced burial rites within the same cliffs that the Tellem and Dogon would later use.") It's a complicated area. In this article, the word "bead" appears exactly once. https://www.101lasttribes.com/tribes/dogon2.html Ditto the Wikipedia article - one appearance of "bead" "Specifically, glass beads found at the site have been dated to as early as the third century BC and appear to originate from Asia to the Mediterranean Near East" Oh well. Aother mystery, unsolved. Copyright 2025 All rights reserved by Bead Collector Network and its users

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