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Posted by: Will Post Reply
04/04/2012, 12:42:58

Hi everyone,

I've been meaning to post a pictures of these beads that came up in an earlier thread. These two are similar to the ones that Max of Bead Bros had posted on the Trades page. Unfortunately, the pictures (as usual for me) are not very good, but if you look at them in comparison to the ones that Carl and Alex posted in the other thread, you can see, I hope, how different these 7th or 8th century beads are from the contemporary drilled bottle-glass versions.

As I said, the glass is quite different, and even though these old beads have been buried and knocked about a lot, they have a lovely soft feel to them. And they're made, as Jamey has pointed out, quite differently. Like the blue biconical Jatims, it's hard at first to figure out what is going on in their manufacture, because the bubbles go in different directions, though primarily aligned to the perforation. They're not wound or drawn, as they sometimes appear to be at first sight; they're made from rolled pads, which frequently seem also to be stretched along the mandrel that the glass is wrapped around. Afterwards they're faceted individually, which accounts for the wide variation in shape and size. The faceting process tends to conceal the rolled pad construction, but you can often see tell-tale signs of the joint around the perforation.

The green are generally smaller and less commonly found than the blue, and they have a beautiful glow that the blue ones don't have. Along with all the other kinds of Jatim beads, they help us to see the amazing amount of technological experimentation that was going on in that remote early East Javanese culture that we still know so little about.

Incidentally, I also really like the new drilled bottle glass beads; they're a different species is all.

Cheers,

Will

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Jatim blue hexagonal bicones
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Posted by: Will Post Reply
04/04/2012, 12:45:20

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Posted by: alex Post Reply
04/05/2012, 13:03:21

Those realy are nice beeds! I can't think of any I have seen that compare. When you consider their age they must have been amazing to people who encountered them. No wonder beads became so valued as currency. I imagine they would have been worth more than their weight in gold once they had dispersed across Asia . One of the things that troubled me about the reproduction beads was the amount of grinding involved, even with modern tooling they must have been a serious task. Unfortunately in many parts of the world labour is cheap and people are desperate. I wonder what market they were aimed at initialy? tourism maybe?
Thank you very much for uploading the photos. Alex



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Posted by: Will Post Reply
04/06/2012, 18:56:12

Hi Alex,

Yes, you've caught exactly what I feel with these old beads too: I can't help imagining the amazement that ordinary people must have felt when they saw these coloured glass beads for the first time. We take glass so for granted now, but 2,000 years ago it must have been quite miraculous.

I think the main motivation for the new bottle-glass beads must have been the tourist market in Bali. Later perhaps, some enterprising individual saw an opening for them in Africa. There's nothing so surprising about that. The history of beads has always been driven by market pressures.

Best wishes,

Will



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Rolled pad construction
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
04/04/2012, 17:26:51

Will, thank you for the actually really good images of authentic old ones, which really illustrate the difference clearly. So, they were "paddled" to create the facets, as the 18th c. Dutch glass beads were that were recently shown by Judy.



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Posted by: Judy Post Reply
04/05/2012, 13:56:13

I've enjoyed looking at them and have learned from them. thank you so much, Judy



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Posted by: Will Post Reply
04/06/2012, 19:11:39

Thanks, Judy; it's kind of you to say so (and it's great to hear from you). But really, I get so frustrated trying to take pictures of beads. If I could just get one whole bead in focus, all at the same moment, I'd be a happy man! Anyway, these are probably my last posts for a while; next week I'm off again to Southeast Asia for a few months - Vietnam first of all, then Thailand of course, Burma, Cambodia, Indonesia... No doubt I'll have some stories to tell when I get back.

All the best,

Will



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Posted by: Will Post Reply
04/06/2012, 19:01:48

Yes, you're quite right, Joyce, I hadn't noticed the similarity. Thanks for pointing it out. Though, of course, the Dutch beads are wound, not rolled pad in construction, right? Which makes sense, given the cultural differences; there were very few wound beads in early Southeast Asia.

Best,

Will



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Dutch East India Co. in Indonesia 1603 - 1800
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
04/06/2012, 21:44:52


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company_in_Indonesia

So it's not a coincidence the Dutch would pick up the paddling technique during this time period.

Fun to ponder....

Will, thank you for your ever-inspiring and provocative posts here. We wish you happy trails, happy studies and great times with friends and family. Please stay in touch!



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