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03/13/2011, 09:46:32
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Posted by: Russ Nobbs Post Reply
03/14/2011, 00:43:35
Beadbrothers have a website with interesting pictures of bead making and silverworking. I assume the descriptions are interesting, too, but my Dutch is very slim and I haven't taken the time to run it through translate.google. We ran into John Diepeveen of beadbrothers.nl on a previous trip to Indonesia.http://www.beadbrothers.nl/N_frame.html?http://www.beadbrothers.nl/
Related link: Bead Brothers website.
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03/14/2011, 07:49:18
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03/14/2011, 09:13:52
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Posted by: Russ Nobbs Post Reply
03/14/2011, 12:41:11
Air fare has very little to do with "cheaper" or "more expensive" because we want to get back to Bali. Freight charges getting stuff out of Bali are more of a consideration.
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Posted by: tasmania_gal Post Reply
03/14/2011, 23:59:39
Considering some weird connection flights, like Air Asia or Catar Airways flying from Europe, the ticket price seems not all that bad. And you can spend only $10 per room and $5 for food per day :). Some of the beads at this Dutch web-site that cost 4 euro cost from 60 cents to 1.5 dollar
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03/13/2011, 12:05:26
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Posted by: Will Post Reply
03/14/2011, 10:44:26
Hi Floor, Thanks for posting the pictures. I've never been to the shop unfortunately, but yes, they're great people to deal with over the internet. (And incidentally, re. Tasmania Gal's posts, they're a much better source for authentic ancient beads than any dealer I've come across in Bali). Here's one of the favourite beads I've got from them - a really beaten up old Jatim (3.5 cm across). Of course I've bought other ancient beads in much better condition than this from them, but this is the one I really love. Cheers, Will
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
03/14/2011, 13:38:17
There is not too much I can tell you about the ancient Indonesian beads. It really is not my expertise. Some things I can tell you.
John and Max have a great knowledge of both new and old Indonesian made beads. When talking to John this weekend, he mentioned two recent developments. First is that the ancient beads appear to be running out.
Second is that the production of new/repro glass beads is slowing down. The market is not what it used to be, and with little to no profit to be made, the glassworkers are leaving their workshops and finding other ways to make money.
Seems like the story is the same all over the world, except for China: bead industries are struggling, such as in Bohemia, Germany and Indonesia. And in other countries production is almost non existent.
Finally, Will: I have a very similar bead. Cannot find a picture right now, but both it's shape and surface are altered. Apparantly that is because it was cremated with a body. And travelling to Indonesia myself. I would love to. In the next twelve months I have trips planned to Briare, Jablonec, Honkong, Beijing and Tucson. After that, I will surely be broke. Maybe 2013?
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/14/2011, 14:49:01
There are two important things that Javanese beadmakers can do to keep interest in their art alive and growing: 1) Make frankly-new beads of the artistic level I showed yesterday. Jerry told me he bought a strand of Javanese glass beads, in spite of the price—but he doubted anyone would pay so much. To his surprise they sold very quickly, and he bought more—which is the inventory I saw at Bead Fest a few days ago. These excellent beads were priced at $9. each and $7.50 if you buy a quantity. Instead of artificially aging the beads, the makers would be better-off selling new beads for a reasonable price. Then, it would be only the con-men who artificially age beads for the purpose of passing-them-off as "ancient." 2) Beadmakers must protect and preserve all of the art and craft they have invested in making these beads by ANNEALING THEM (better). The beads are essentially "timebombs" that will self-destruct over time. This is a real shame. The investment in annealing equipment would pay for itself, in saved pieces that didn't break soon after cooling—which can be as high as 40 to 50%. Jamey
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Posted by: tasmania_gal Post Reply
03/15/2011, 06:08:01
What the real problem with indonesian beads - they don't go through the whole technology process of bead-making. As a result, some beads crush when you squeeze them lightly. Not all the beads, of cause, but if you can crush one the others are likely to be bad too.
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Posted by: tasmania_gal Post Reply
03/15/2011, 06:10:28
Made most likely 5-10 years ago
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03/18/2011, 19:34:32
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Posted by: tasmania_gal Post Reply
03/19/2011, 06:48:11
I am not quite sure about two in the upper right corner. But they don't look antique to me. Indonesians are masters of beads reproduction, some of their modern masterpieces look really good
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Posted by: tasmania_gal Post Reply
03/19/2011, 06:50:45
it's my collection of new-like-old necklaces
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=32483&id=1756233690
(sorry, you probably won't be able to read the language)
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03/15/2011, 14:54:34
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03/16/2011, 06:23:32
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/22/2011, 15:18:53
Dear TG, I have studied Javanese beads since the early 1980s, and modern ones from their first appearances in the US marketplace to the present. The link below will take you to a long exposition of my first trip to Indonesia in 2008, showing the beads I documented and acquired then. Jamey
Related link: Jamey in Indonesia - 2008
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/22/2011, 15:21:51
This is the second series of expositions about my trip in 2008. This past October, 2010, I returned to Java, and met the beadmakers in Jember. I will discuss this trip here, in the near future. JDA.
Related link: Indonesia - Part II
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Posted by: tasmania_gal Post Reply
03/23/2011, 01:19:41
Ferry Manik-Manik is Balinese beads guru. There are all kind of modern myphological stories about him :). Did you by chance meet Beny? He owns a shop in Legian street. He has a collection of old beads as well. I have some beads from you collection and I also have different. They make a lot with golden foil now and small striped and mosaic beads. I left Beny a book on islamic and venetian beads and when I came back 6 months later they alrady had a new collection :))
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03/23/2011, 01:23:09
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Posted by: Fred Chavez Post Reply
03/23/2011, 01:35:08
Aren't these contemporary Javanese checker beads closer in style to the Amish Quilt?
Modified by Fred Chavez at Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 02:49:57
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03/23/2011, 02:09:57
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/23/2011, 02:31:39
Hi Fred, Ten days ago, I posted this message, about my first day at Bead Fest in Santa Fe: "My first day at Bead Fest was rather fun. I've seen several old friends, and I've bought a few beads—including yet more new Javanese chequerboard beads, that clearly take their cue from Viking Period beads, as seen in Dubin 1987 or 2009." Some hours later, I posted two photos of the eight beads I had bought from Singaraja. You can scroll down and see the message and photos. It's just as true today as it was ten days ago. Jamey
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Posted by: Russ Nobbs Post Reply
03/16/2011, 23:57:41
Some of my staff who make glass beads have tested annealing beads that were left to cool in air. (Clear beads where they could see the stress patterns with a polarized lens.) They put the cold beads in a kiln, brought it slowly up to temperature, held it for a predetermined time and then cooled it down slowly, just as they would anneal their own beads as they made them. Using the polarized lens after this process we observed that the stress patterns were gone. I'm sure there would be some loss but it should improve the general quality of the beads if they were annealed by an importer. OTOH, I was very surprised to see Czech pressed beads drop into an unheated but insulated container. They did not appear to be annealed as we think of the controlled process. The rods them selves used to press the beads were annealed but not the pressed beads.
Does pressing introduce that much less stress than lampworking?
Is the basic Czech glass rod that much better glass than Javanese, Indian and Chinese?
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03/17/2011, 05:40:00
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