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Posted by: Pudgy Post Reply
11/13/2010, 20:34:34

From among the thousands of random photos you've collected already, it shouldn't be too hard to assemble a special gallery of "beads with names". Or, you could start fresh and let forumites contribute pics with names. Watch the action from there as people argue what constitutes such and such named beads. I'll bet the whole gallery won't come up to 200 popular beads with names. Wanna bet? Or will you start throwing all the foreign mishmash? Such a thing might be a useful tool!



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It could be a fun game...I see from the BCN galleries alone...
Re: Time to make a special gallery of "beads with names" -- Pudgy Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
11/13/2010, 22:29:26

Each gallery page has approx. 200 images, so I'm comfortable working with nearly 17,000 images in the galleries alone. Here 26 are recognizable "campfire name" beads from pages one and two of the galleries.

By the way, how does the term "foreign mishmash" differ from "campfire"?

Please keep in mind, I'm not going to go back, and I'm not going to argue with anyone. They are market names that I did not invent and that I know with no doubt that thousands of others recognize these beads by the same "nicknames".

Of course I realize that if one were to slog thru the remaining 82 pages of gallery images, the challenge would be to come up with unique names and not just repeats of the names already on the list. All are welcome to chime in with subsequent pages if you would like to make it thru all 84 pages. It could be kind of fun.

Like it or not, these campfire names serve their purpose in the marketplace.

BCN Galleries p1

pink pineapple
dutch delft
french cross
feather
wedding cake
igbo bugs
American flag
flower chevrons
Zen or number 6

BCN Galleries p2

aja
watermelon pattern millefiori
peacock pattern millefiori
"Jazz" chevrons by Art Seymour
dogbones
king
Baule face
Ambassador
Nueva Cadiz
Mali Wedding claws and triangles
moonbead
yellowjacket chevron
Jack Reese
bowties
Russian Blues
Murano Rooster millefiori
Turkish evil eye



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Don't forget "The Head Monkey Bead".
Re: It could be a fun game...I see from the BCN galleries alone... -- Joyce Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: David Post Reply
11/13/2010, 22:38:16



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Can't wait for the corresponding pictures and...
Re: It could be a fun game...I see from the BCN galleries alone... -- Joyce Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Pudgy Post Reply
11/13/2010, 23:58:15

what about the degenerate spellings, such as "aja"?



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Probably won't have time to do that / Only 80 more pages to go!
Re: Can't wait for the corresponding pictures and... -- Pudgy Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
11/14/2010, 06:18:34

But here are pages 3 and 4...which brings us to 37. It's debatable though whether all of these could be called "campfire" names - some are fairly literal, like "Islamic Eye".

Degenerate spellings and "whomever puts it in print first, wins"! Another ball of wax - and again brings home the influence of the internet. Eja - the correct spelling of the word, meaning fish eye in Yoruba, is what the Yoruba high priest told me in an email years ago. But the phonetic spelling, Aja, wins in the marketplace. Try to sell them on the net as eja. No one will find them!

I'm off for the day. Whomever would like to chime in is welcome! Only 20 forumites could do 4 pages each and we'd be through this in a jiffy!

Here's all 4 of the first gallery pages....and please feel free to add to or correct...

BCN Galleries p1

pink pineapple
dutch delft
french cross
feather
wedding cake
igbo bugs
American flag
flower chevrons
Zen or number 6

BCN Galleries p2

aja
watermelon pattern millefiori
peacock pattern millefiori
"Jazz" chevrons by Art Seymour
dogbones
king
Baule face
Ambassador
Nueva Cadiz
Mali Wedding claws and triangles
moonbead
yellowjacket chevron
Jack Reese
bowties
Russian Blues
Murano Rooster millefiori
Turkish evil eye

BCN gallery p 3

Pema Roca
Warring States
Phoenician stratified eye
Islamic festooned
"Head Monkey"
ancient agate "bow"
"bull's eye" millefiori
Islamic eye


BCN gallery p 4

Kiffa
Akoso
Bodom




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Did I see "vaseline", "awale" and the infamous "lewis and clark" ?
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Posted by: Carl Dreibelbis Post Reply
11/14/2010, 10:48:32



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Am sure you did - thanks Carl!
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
11/14/2010, 14:29:08



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Joyce I think you are AMAZING! Oooops did I shout?
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Posted by: jake@nomaddesign Post Reply
11/14/2010, 00:10:01



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What's In A Name?
Re: It could be a fun game...I see from the BCN galleries alone... -- Joyce Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
11/14/2010, 06:15:10


Related link: A past post about naming issues.

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A Different Perspective On Naming.
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
11/14/2010, 07:46:19


Related link: Are names "sexy" or not?

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Re: "Melon" Beads (?)
Re: What's In A Name? -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
11/14/2010, 08:16:45


Related link: A past dialogue about this popular shape.
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Melon beads... why so hard to find?
Re: Re: "Melon" Beads (?) -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
11/16/2010, 08:23:02

Since starting online bead searching, melons elude me. I find new 5mm and 8mm Czech rounds, but very very few other glass melon beads. There are some gemstone melons, but why do glass bead makers seem to shy away?

I search melon, pumpkin, carved, oblate, lobed beads.

This deep red large rondelle melon bead was the only one of it's kind in a jar of opaque glass Czech beads, swap meet. Not a great photo, but the red melon is now the center bead in one of my necklaces. I saw an entire graduated strand of these melon rondelles on ebay a year ago, but it sold far beyond my reach. I haven't seen another of these beads since, in any color.

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Joyce & David you guys deserve profound thanks...........
Re: It could be a fun game...I see from the BCN galleries alone... -- Joyce Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: bob Post Reply
11/14/2010, 15:06:19

I've known you long enough to know you work hard to keep ahead of the wolves and still you persevere to maintain this site.

I really respect you for it. My first post here was in response to Kirks arrogant diatribe on Jamey who I foolishly defended not knowing their history. Seeing these old threads dredged up just reminds me why I don't spend time posting here anymore.

I did try to share my perspective on some ideas and experience that were usually jealously disputed by you know who.
Unfortunate as I have gone the second mile to patch up old animosities only to get some really awful e-mails for my attempts.
Nobody wins and personally it disturbs me enough to 'just say NO'.

I really hope some closer comes to this thread.
There are posters I really respect and admire who contribute much to the enjoyment and understanding of beads and they aren't the two guys who think they 'know it all' and will argue till hell freezes over.

Good luck with your "Bead Names List". It would be a good thing to see people work together.

The way understand it - If you want respect then you give respect. Some people understand that - some never will.

You two have earned mine!


"Blessed are the peacemakers for thy shall see fantastic beads"

Now for some humor:

"There does not have to be ONE answer to any question or issue." JDA



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Furthermore, if a name can be traced back to the orignator, beyond the shadow of a doubt...
Re: Time to make a special gallery of "beads with names" -- Pudgy Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
11/14/2010, 06:35:05

Some years back we held a benefit auction. A certain Sue Doe contributed an auction bead...basically a little Venetian for the African trade, decorated to look sort of like a monkey face. Sue named this bead "Head Monkey". The bead did wildly well for the cause; a generous forumite helped drive the price to a bit over 100.00, well above it's value of perhaps 10.00. Anyway, this bead was delivered to it's buyer with a written COA. So now. Here we have real provenance and proven origin of the name of a specific bead! Copyright issues? Hmmmm!

Didn't JP originate the name "Zen" ?



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Ah yes Joyce, "Sue Doe".......such SWEET memories
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Posted by: Carl Dreibelbis Post Reply
11/14/2010, 07:29:50



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Re: Furthermore, if a name can be traced back to the orignator, beyond the shadow of a doubt...
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Posted by: Pudgy Post Reply
11/14/2010, 09:30:23

Some years back we held a benefit auction. A certain Sue Doe contributed an auction bead...basically a little [not so little yellow lampwork cylinder] Venetian for [from] the African trade, decorated to look sort of like a monkey face. [Not really! The name came from some totally different inspiration.] Sue named this bead "Head Monkey". The bead did wildly well for the cause; a generous forumite helped drive the price to a bit over 100.00, well above it's value of perhaps 10.00. [In other words, the bead, as "obscure" as it wasn't worth too much, just maybe $10, for lack of a name, but given a name and a cause, it got bid way up. What's it worth today?] Anyway, this bead was delivered to it's buyer with a written COA. So now. Here we have real provenance and proven origin of the name of a specific bead! Copyright issues? Hmmmm! [After awhile, JP came up with a few that were quite close, but the moral of the story is, "obscure beads don't get names".]

"When the head monkey in Paris puts on a new hat, all the other monkeys do the same." Thoreau, "Walden"

What ever happened to that nice girl?



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Serene and her daughter can be found in the BCN galleries...
Re: Re: Furthermore, if a name can be traced back to the orignator, beyond the shadow of a doubt... -- Pudgy Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
11/14/2010, 14:16:30

She went through quite a battle with cancer and her story is very inspiring. She is today a survivor, testing cancer free! She is in her early 40s, and in the early years of ebay, was one of the top-notch sellers of trade beads. She does very little in beads these days, but still sells collectibles of many kinds - jewelry, clothing, accessories.



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Sounds good! Good to hear she's prospering!
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Posted by: Pudgy Post Reply
11/14/2010, 15:32:18



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I concur! (yuk, yuk....)
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Posted by: prof. ironoclast bob Post Reply
11/14/2010, 07:03:30


This seems on the face of it to be a positive response from Kirk.

I hope it is and he will help compile something that will help alleviate the reoccurring problems over semantics involving beads.

Obviously it will not be easy considering the old battles on this board but I hope that happens for the good of everybody.

G_d knows there is enough pain in the world without bringing more here.

Good luck and best wishes! ;-}



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But, Professor...
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Posted by: Logan Post Reply
11/14/2010, 07:37:29

Pudgy wants someone else to compile the list, he is waiting for the images... I think Joyce should just pull the plug before everybody gets so annoyed they stoop to reading People magazine instead of coming here. (sigh)



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Re: But, Professor...
Re: But, Professor... -- Logan Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: prof. ironoclast bob, bob Post Reply
11/14/2010, 08:10:42

Of course your right, some people do not do "for the good of everybody".

Still anarchy only means the meanest bastard wins.

You & I know there will be many arguments as the alpha personality bead peeps will try to impose their own views on the process.

I've tried to reason with some myself to no avail and realize some people will never compromise whether they are right or wrong.

If that's all we can expect then nobody wins. I wish I were more optimistic myself?

I don't care myself, I just hate to see a$$holes ruin for everybody.
They could do better if they only wanted to.

be well (yuk yuk)........... ;- }


Related link: Good Luck EVERYBODY..........................

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Awesome link, professor!
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Posted by: sisterray Post Reply
11/14/2010, 11:41:58



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Thank you sisterray.........
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Posted by: prof. ironoclast bob Post Reply
11/14/2010, 13:51:14

I hope I don't sound too condescending?

You must understand I am not dogmatic, narcissistic or egotistical.

Just like Kirk Stanfield and Jamey D. Allen I only come here to educate you poor, ignorant bead hobbyists.


"I do think that the quality which makes a man want to write and be read is essentially a desire for self-exposure and is masochistic. Like one of those guys who has a compulsion to take his thing out and show it on the street." - James Jones


be well

P.S. - I am flushing your private replies without reading them. ;-}

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You forget, Pudgy already attempted this 9 years ago and...
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Posted by: Pudgy Post Reply
11/14/2010, 08:26:07

someone on this forum dredged it up for ridicule. Do what y'all wanna do. Do you think Pudgy really cares?



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he must care!!!
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Posted by: TASART Post Reply
11/14/2010, 12:56:17

He gets the most emotional over the issue of names, or am I reading it wrong???

(Arabesque beads?)

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Thomas, I think I will name these "Acanthus Leaf " beads.......just cuz
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Posted by: Carl Dreibelbis Post Reply
11/14/2010, 13:01:20



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Carl, get a notary to sign a coa......just cuz!
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
11/14/2010, 14:07:33

And can you believe, I still feel this stuff is worth discussion!



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I believe JP named these "Arabesque" some years ago
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11/15/2010, 04:07:03



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I know the name "Arabesque" from van der Sleen--1968.
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
11/15/2010, 05:39:57



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a small list from eBay this morning
Re: Time to make a special gallery of "beads with names" -- Pudgy Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
11/15/2010, 09:33:53

Here is an incomplete list of bead names and descriptions off eBay this morning, this was only the first few pages of "highest priced" under "trade beads" search heading: (sorry for spelling and punctuation!!!)

"Ghana Eyes",Pink Pineapples , FRENCH AMBASSADORS,GHOST Venetian Trade Beads ,Moon Trade Beads Baule FACE Beads, "Clear French Ambassadors" ,BODOM Trade Bead,"Women's Chevrons" ,LEWIS AND CLARK Trade Bead, Cornaline d'Aleppo Trade Bead, KINGS, Akoso/Bodom Trade Bead , Yellow ZEN Disk Trade Bead, Venetian Tire Trade Bead,, BLUE NUEVA CADIZ Trade Bead ,Antique German Marble Bead, Relatives of Ghost Beads,Bowtie Venetian Trade Bead,Blue Egg Trade Bead,Venetian Ribbon Tabular Trade Bead,ZEN Trade Bead, DUTCH SPEO,Wedding Cake Venetian Trade Bead,"African Amber",Double Row Dotted RED Skunks Venetian Trade Beads,Antique Hudson Bay trade beads, Chief beads, Bear tooth,Tabular Trade Beads, RARE Red Feathers,Dutch Dogon Wound Beads,TRADE BEADS BOHEMIAN RUSSIAN BLUES,RARE DOUGHNUT SHAPED AFRICAN AKOSSU ,VERY RARE Venetian Eye KING Trade Bead,Venetian Trade Beads Lattichine Africa,Amberoid resin and Tuareg brass bds ,strand huge koloba faceted venetian beads african trade, Bear Claw Millefiori Venetian Trade Bead, Venetian Yellow Flowers with Battered Ghosts Trade Bead, Vintage Coyote Tooth Hudson Bay Trade Bead, Old PEUL Idar-Oberstein Agate & Trade Bead, Black Fancy Venetian Barrel Trade Beads Candy Cane, Antique African Trade Beads - End of Day, Fancy Old White Skunks Pink White & Green Venetian, "Naga Land" Pink Coral Colored Glass, "CLEAR RUSSIAN BICONE", "AQUA RUSSIAN BICONE" Faceted, Yellow Hebrew Beads, Red & Green Candy Stripe Venetian African Trade, "German Donuts" Dutch Blue Glass African Trade Bead, Vintage Nigerian Indian Agate African Beads, Translucent Blue Ancient Glass Djenne Mali African
, venetian blue gooseberry dogbone african trade beads, VENETIAN 1000 eye Skunks Mint, Black King Venetian Trade Bead, Baby King Venetian Trade Beads, Venetian RIBBON Trade Beads, American Flag Chevron Venetian Trade Beads, CHECKERBOARD MOSAIC ISLAMIC, Yellow Pineapples Venetian Trade Bead, Trade Beads Very Rare Venetian Fish, INDO-PACIFIC TRADE GLASS BEAD, Blue Trade Beads Dogon Seed Bead Rings, Hebron Trade Bead, red skunk venetian white heart beads african trade Hammerheads, Squiggle Designs, RARE, Venetian Trade Bead, Old PEUL Madougou Amber and Trade Bead, Dumbbell Melons Venetian Trade Beads RARE,
Cobalt Raised Dot Skunk Trade Bead, VENETIAN LATERAL CANE MILLEFIORI
, OLD LARGE AQUA DUTCH DOGON CHIEF TRADE BEADS, Mock Carnelian Faceted Glass Trade Bead, rare venetian bicone bumpy beads, Greenheart Venetian Trade Bead, Baby Moon Trade Bead, Bear Claw Millefiori Venetian Trade Bead,
Green Melon Cylinder Millefiori Venetian Trade, Venetian Fancies Double X Fr.Ambassador Trade Beads, OLD RED VENETIAN FEATHER TRADE BEAD, Red Skunk and Feather Venetian Trade Bead, Trade Beads Antique Pulled Feather Skunk , venetian gift box fancy african trade bead, VENETIAN RATTLE SNAKE WOUND GLASS~TRADE BEADS, VENETIAN GOOSEBERRY BEAD, White Skunks and Yellow Zen Venetian Trade Beads, VENETIAN GREEN FLOWER BEADS, Unique Trade Bead Oxen Bone, Rattlesnake Venetian Trade Bead, rare old akoso zagba beads ghana african trade, venetian millefiori rooster african trade beads, venetian hot pinched dog tooth african trade beads, Blue Vaseline Trade Beads, Bumble Bee Venetian Trade Beads, LARGE BROWN WATER MELON BEADS, Tabular Crumb 'Trade Beads', French Cross Variations, Swirl Venetian Trade Bead, Venetian Tire Variants Trade Bead, HUBBELL TRADE BEAD, faceted russian blues, venetian ayja african trade bead,



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Delightful!
Re: a small list from eBay this morning -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Pudgy Post Reply
11/15/2010, 10:20:42

Now to separate the names of specific beads from filler words and general bead types. I'll play with this list for awhile and get back to you.

Meanwhile, why not copy pics out of the galleries and give them their names? Names are no good without pictures. Why not submit new pics with names for the special "beads with names" gallery? You did that already with your "arabesques" that we used to call "skunks", not van der Sleen's "arabesques" that look more like "Dutch Delft", at least certain ones. I have a different "arabesque".



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I sifted your pile...here's another list...
Re: a small list from eBay this morning -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Pudgy Post Reply
11/15/2010, 16:07:19

How many of these 89 "names" refer to specific beads? Many must fail because they're bead types, not bead names. This list is mainly eBay aficionado garbage hype resulting from the 55-character limit. It's better to think up a name, put a picture beside it, and make a serious "beads with names" gallery. Anyone who comes up with 200 specific named beads wins a prize.

1000 eye skunk
African amber
akoso
akoso/bodom
amberoid resin
American flag
ayja
Baule face
bear claw
bear tooth
blue egg
bodom
bowtie
bumblebee
bumpy bicone
candy cane
candy stripe
checkerboard
chief
cornaline d'Aleppo
coyote tooth Hudson Bay
Djenne
dog tooth
Dogon Seed Bead Rings
Double Row Dotted RED Skunks
Double X Fr.Ambassadors
Dutch Dogon
Dutch Speo
end-of-day
eye king
feather
fish
flower
French ambassador
French cross
German donuts
German marble
Ghana eye
ghost
ghost
gift box
gooseberry
gooseberry dogbone
green flower
green melon
greenheart
H. Dogon chief
hammerhead
Hebrew
Hebron
Hubbell
Hudson Bay
Idar-Oberstein agate
Indo-Pacific
king
koloba faceted
lattichine
Lewis & Clark
mock carnelian
moon
Nagaland pink coral
Nigerian Indian agate
Nueva Cadiz
oxen bone
Peul Madougou amber
pink pineapple
pulled feather skunk
rattlesnake
realatives of ghost
red skunk white heart
ribbon
ribbon tabular
rooster
Russian
skunk
squiggle
swirl
tabular
tabular crumb
tire variant
tire variant
Tuareg brass
vaseline
watermelon
wedding cake
women's chevron
zagba
Zen
Zen disk



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Re: I sifted your pile...here's another list...
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Posted by: dannoh40 Post Reply
11/15/2010, 18:25:14

I think puggys list of names is great. right on puggy



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a couple more: Fried Egg, Mali Wedding Beads
Re: I sifted your pile...here's another list... -- Pudgy Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
11/16/2010, 08:06:36

off the top of my heard I can think of

Fried Egg
Mali (Czech) Wedding Bead



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who-hoo, Thomas, you have more free time at your straight job than I do!
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
11/15/2010, 17:15:19



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Just a start
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Posted by: globalbeads Post Reply
11/15/2010, 18:11:09

Bead Names or are they categories, then descriptions within each category
Resin:
Plastic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic#Types
Phenolic,
Polymer
Clay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay
Porcelain
High Fire
PMC
Metal
Brass
Gold
Silver
Pewter
Nickle
Copper
Tin
Aluminum
Lead
Metalized Plastic

Pumtek
Dzi
Stone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Stone (huge list here)

Pearls:
Cultured
Freshwater

Glass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Glass_types
Effetre Glass
Borosilicate Glass
Lead Crystal
Fire Polish
Moulded
Powder Glass
Cubic Zirconia
Seedbeads
Bugels
Charlottes

Paper
Bone
Horn
Nuts
Seeds

Kathleen, Global Beads, Inc

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You are touching upon the important stuff...
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
11/15/2010, 19:34:00

Aside from the campfire names, which still are valid marketplace nicknames that help sellers and shoppers function within the 55 character limit on ebay ( I remember when it was 49)...and as irritating and arbitrarily used as they sometimes are....Before those campfire names evolved, there were the actual facts about the beads......Technique, Material and Origin.



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Re: Just a start small update, with spaces - "paste" does not work well...
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Posted by: globalbeads Post Reply
11/15/2010, 22:31:54

Bead Names or are they categories, then descriptions within each category


Plastic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic#Types
Phenolic
Resin
Acrylic

Clay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay
Porcelain
High Fire
Raku
Polymer (this may be better under plastic?)
PMC

Metal : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal
Brass
Gold
Silver
Pewter
Nickle
Copper
Tin
Aluminum
Lead
Metalized Plastic
Steel

Stone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Stone (huge list here)
Fossil
Semi-Precious
Precious

Pearls:
Cultured
Freshwater

Glass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Glass_types
Effetre Glass
Borosilicate Glass
Lead Crystal
Fire Polish
Powder Glass
Cubic Zirconia
GoldStone
Fiber-Optic
Uranium

Paper
Bone
Horn
Shell
Teeth
Nuts
Seeds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed

Distinctions included in above main categories

Methods:
Moulded
Drawn
Wound
Feather
Trail
Filigrano
Blown
Lampwork
Lost-wax
Carved
Cabochon
Pressed

Common names
Seedbeads
Bugels
Charlottes
Rocaille
Rosetta
Chevron
Druk
Pumtek
dZi, gZi
Hebron
Vaseline
Russian Blue
Millefiori

I have this in a word file if anyone wants to add to it.

Kathleen, Global Beads, Inc

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An extensive Glossary of Bead Terms
Re: Re: Just a start small update, with spaces - "paste" does not work well... -- globalbeads Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
11/16/2010, 06:35:27

Time for a reminder-

The Glossary, which I compiled can be found at the Bead Database.
However I deliberately did not list names as such because they mean so many things to different people.
There is also an alphabetical glossary in my first book "Beads!" from 1988 -pages 98-101.

At one of the conferences in Santa Fe a while back I printed out copies (for everyone who asked) of an alphabetical index of ORGANIC bead materials and techniques which I've been working on and expanding ever since.

In fact the names and even the supposed "age" of beads may be fun/folklore, but the terms for the techniques the materials and verifiable information about the users and places of use, etc. are what makes the subject of beads still so fascinating to me.


Related link: Glossary of Bead Terms.

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There are very few bead names here.
Re: Just a start -- globalbeads Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Pudgy Post Reply
11/16/2010, 07:56:33

A bead name is something like "French cross" that applies to a specific bead. "Stone" is not a bead name, is it?



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So you say...names, labels, distinctions
Re: There are very few bead names here. -- Pudgy Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: globalbeads Post Reply
11/16/2010, 08:20:14

A name is a label for a noun, normally used to distinguish one from another. Names can identify a class or category of things, or a single thing, either uniquely, or within a given context.

A naming convention is an attempt to systematize names in a field so they unambiguously convey similar information in a similar manner.
Naming conventions are useful in many aspects of everyday life, enabling the casual user to understand larger structures.

Virtually all organizations that assign names or numbers will follow some convention in generating these identifiers.

Labels have many uses: product identification, name tags, advertising, warnings, and other communication.

So what is - if there is one - the structure used when assigning a word to distinguish one item (bead we will call it) from another?

The purpose of having these distinctions is so we can all communicate and be in unambiguous in what we are talking about.

There will always be ambiguity because of our own interpretations which may not be coherent with the speakers meaning.

So what you are calling a "name" is what I am calling a "label" a "word used to identify or distinguish a particular object.

A dictionary, also referred to as a lexicon, wordbook, or vocabulary, is a collection of words in one or more specific languages, often listed alphabetically, with usage information, definitions, etymologies, phonetics, pronunciations, and other information;
Further, each word may have multiple meanings. Some dictionaries include each separate meaning in the order of most common usage while others list definitions in historical order, with the oldest usage first

Just my interpretation....

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He means something like....
Re: So you say...names, labels, distinctions -- globalbeads Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
11/16/2010, 09:43:31

I think he means a name something like: Fred, or Mildred or Mable or Juanita :)



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WHY WE SHOULDN'T make a special gallery of "beads with names"
Re: Time to make a special gallery of "beads with names" -- Pudgy Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Birdi Post Reply
11/16/2010, 09:01:25

1) How are we supposed to do that here with this old forum technology? We are limited to 2 images per post, can't create sub categories, can't edit for very long, and it becomes a nested mess. We need a different format for such a project.

2) the center of any definition is easy. It is the borders of the definitions that cause argument. For instance, we all know a Venetian Wedding Cake bead.... but the decoration style varies hugely and some beads neglect the floral aspect of the trailings while others have only the 'rose'. Plus, there are all those Wedding Cake beads made in other countries. Let's not fight.

3) If everyone starts using the same names, then all the good beads will end up in the same category, and the people with the most money to spend will win the beads. The only hope for someone like me is to find beads that DON'T carry the name d'jour. I'm out there hunting for "Aunt Betty's Easter necklace".

4) Name lists stifle creativity. We should all make up our own names. Get busy, and think of something NEW! Sooooooo boooooring, yawn, same old names.

5) Make Pudgy do all the work.




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Let me just say, "I laugh at your kind of starry-eyed anti-intellectual...
Re: WHY WE SHOULDN'T make a special gallery of "beads with names" -- Birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Pudgy Post Reply
11/17/2010, 14:40:12

Of which small-town public school are you a graduate?



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Ads with funny bead names.... Market Names, good term!
Re: WHY WE SHOULDN'T make a special gallery of "beads with names" -- Birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: birdi Post Reply
11/17/2010, 19:57:30

credentials? pfft! who cares you old sourpus? My university degree focuses on human myth and social interactions... artifacts like beads are evidence of far more interesting things like culture, mythology, trade, migration, resources. Joyce hit the nail on the head using the term Market Names. bingo! there are descriptive names for shape, color, origin, etc... but market names are a different beast with a life of their own in the linguistic marketplace.

Here are two recent examples of my favorite type of bead ad. Some of the other ads talked about his crazy ex and how she left the beads behind but took all his trucks. In another ad he had beads he called Kal-Pa-Da from Al-Obama. Presented for your amusement. let's make beads fun. ridicule yourself, not others.

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salmon color Dutch Dagons, cheverons, and Venitions>>> String out to 13 inch>>> Dont let this one get away. <<>>

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Short string Venetion INDIAN trade beads from the NORTHWEST>>MIGHT BE NEZPERSE>>>22 small ones string out to 7+ inch>>THEYRE REAL CUTE LITTLE ONES>>>I THINK YOULL LIKE EM>>Dont let this one get away
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Oh, this is getting funny!!!
Re: Ads with funny bead names.... Market Names, good term! -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: David Post Reply
11/17/2010, 22:57:38



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I'll add Dagon and Kal-Pa-Da to the list!
Re: Ads with funny bead names.... Market Names, good term! -- birdi Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Pudgy Post Reply
11/18/2010, 00:26:47



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Re: I'll add Dagon and Kal-Pa-Da to the list!
Re: I'll add Dagon and Kal-Pa-Da to the list! -- Pudgy Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Jim Johnson Post Reply
11/18/2010, 13:50:40

Hey Pudgy.....Here in Oregon's Willamette Valley, Kal-Pa-Da is actually spelled Calipooia or Kalpuya, the name of the group of Indian Tribes that populated the valley up until the White Man messed up their paradise. Unfortunately, the Calipooia did not like beads very much from the historical evidence we find at their sites.
Oh....and before you ask....my credentials include a BS in Entomology (which has nothing to do with beads!) and 55+ years of active study/collecting of West Coast artifacts and beads.
Just trying for a bit of levity here....



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And I'm as levitated as you....
Re: Re: I'll add Dagon and Kal-Pa-Da to the list! -- Jim Johnson Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Pudgy Post Reply
11/18/2010, 14:58:30

Maybe you can tell us about "Igbo bug" beads.



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