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Posted by: LUANN UDELL Post Reply
10/04/2022, 16:00:02

I've been purchasing beads online that are described as jade, usually smallish beads around 4 mm, faceted but not sharply faceted, and coming in all colors ranging from pale purple to bright yellow. Sometimes they're described as chalcedony or quartz. I'm not too picky, if they really are stone and probably heat-treated or dyed, but now I'm really curious if they're really stone? And if they are really stoned, what kind of stone can be so easily dyed so many different colors?

When I get home I will post a picture in the comments. But I'd love to hear thoughts from the experts on what the heck these beads really are?

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10/04/2022, 19:09:43

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Re: Why are beads being marketed as "jade"?
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Posted by: frank Post Reply
10/05/2022, 09:22:42

Quartzite and magnetite can be dyed any color. The Gemological Institute of America has warned about dyed quartzite beads for decades.They would be almost as hard as chalcedony and indistinguishable in hardness from chalcedony with any hardness test typically used. I have cut lots of quartzite and it is not as tough as chalcedony as it is not fibrous and it's grain structure is such that it offers ample pore space for dyes.Magnesite is very soft and typically does not accept dye completely through the stone as readily as quartzite.



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Re: Why are beads being marketed as "jade"? -- LUANN UDELL Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
10/05/2022, 13:25:49

Hello Luann,

I have composed multiple expositions here and elsewhere online, about the artificial coloring of stone beads—that divide into two very different processes. One is dying, in which dyes are used. The other is described as "beizen"—in which mineral-rich liquids are used. Dyed stone are temporarily colored. The colors of beizen stones are permanent—so there is a profound difference. Nevertheless, ill-informed people frequently refer to beizen products as being "dyed."

I have been countering this mistaken idea for forty years. Here is a dialogue from 2009 in which I discuss these processes:

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=66015&iZz=66015&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0

Yes indeed, I learned about these issues before 1980, and I have been vocal about them ever since then.

I note that Frank did not respond to your question, but rather has provided a "dyed stone" response, that is factually incorrect.

As near as I have been able to determine, the Chinese adapted or adopted the German methods of coloring microcrystalline quartz (agate and chalcedony) by 1997—which is when I saw the first artificial carnelian beads in Taiwan. They had previously learned to make brown or black agate via caramelization and carbonization by 1992—since this was indispensable for making reproduction zi beads—and, in the larger sense, is part of the beizen oeuvre. (Because it is artificial-coloring that does not rely on "dyes.")

It has not been determined, as far as I know, whether magnesite is dyed or beizen. But counter to Frank's suggestion, imitation-turquoise magnesite beads are routinely colored-in-the-mass. Meaning the color runs through the entire stone, and is not superficial. I have supposed magnesite was selected, in-part, because it accepts dying fairly easily (among other reasons for making fake turquoise). But, in this instance, we also have the issue that, now, many Chinese products are made from reconstructed stones—and these MIGHT be colored (somehow) BEFORE reconstruction. So the issue of penetration is an unrevealed aspect of this complicated area of beadmaking.

I have described beizen penetration of agate multiple times. I won't repeat it here. Read my previous expositions!

Jamey


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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
10/05/2022, 13:31:22

The issue of Chinese sellers calling many stones "jade" has also been discussed in several expositions I have composed for this Forum.

Rather than repeating myself yet again, please refer to past dialogues regarding this issue.

In-brief, this is a name-translation issue. The beads we are discussing are not "jade." Either the sellers are ignorant of mineralogy, or they are merely saying "jade" as a selling feature to make their product seem "more important."

From 2006:
http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=45528&iZz=45528&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0

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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
10/05/2022, 14:03:34

Here's a dialogue from 2009, about "jade" from Afghanistan:

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=65777&iZz=65777&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0


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10/05/2022, 14:04:39



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Posted by: frank Post Reply
10/05/2022, 16:38:28


I have trouble imagining that fully colored n" magnesite " beads are in fact magnesite. Fake composite stones have flooded the market for decades and are so prevalent that I find it hard to believe that makers of inexpensive beads would use natural magnesite rather than produce a product from magnesite powder and chemicals to bind it. A specific gravity test would likely differentiate the products.



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Frank—I recommend past discussion on this topic.
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