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Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
09/29/2021, 11:42:44

I got these beads today. They are aprox. 18 to 16 mm. The holes are about 5 mm.
Their design intrigued me, the designer in me felt challenged.
They have been smeared with a yellowish powdered ocher that is easely wipped out with a damp cotton, and fills the many holes on the surface (I guess from air bubbles).
In some places, specially around the holes,the green translucency of the glass can be seen.
Here and there a scar is left by the trailing tool used to make the decorative feather.
I would like to know whether they have been recently made in Java. Where and when, otherwise?

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the scar left by the trailing tool
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Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
09/29/2021, 11:46:18

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the holes
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09/29/2021, 11:47:10

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Re: the scar left by the trailing tool/or possibly where glass popped off?
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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
10/03/2021, 19:29:00

No expert, but I have seen many Venetian and other beads with trailed & related surface design that lack areas of glass- where the glass has "popped off" for lack of a better description, leaving a depression in the glass. I suspect the same happened here. Totally possible I'm missing the point on what you are showing! These are Pretty beads!

Bead lover, collector since Age 15, semi-retired had wholesale/retail bead, folk art, tribal art store Lost and Found Gallery for 25 yrs. in DT Greensboro, NC

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Re: the scar left by the trailing tool/or possibly where glass popped off?
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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
10/03/2021, 19:29:18

No expert, but I have seen many Venetian and other beads with trailed & related surface design that lack areas of glass- where the glass has "popped off" for lack of a better description, leaving a depression in the glass. I suspect the same happened here. Totally possible I'm missing the point on what you are showing! These are Pretty beads!

Bead lover, collector since Age 15, semi-retired had wholesale/retail bead, folk art, tribal art store Lost and Found Gallery for 25 yrs. in DT Greensboro, NC

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Your beads are probably Javanese
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Posted by: beadman Post Reply
09/29/2021, 17:19:58

Hello Nishedha,

I will show you some past dialogues about this class of beads—and you will see Indonesian (Javanese), Venetian, and Indian versions.

This is from 2008"

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From 2009
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Posted by: beadman Post Reply
09/29/2021, 17:23:20


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links
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Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
09/29/2021, 19:57:59

Thank you,Mr.Beadman,
your attached links have been as usual educational and accurately aimed at my questions.
I attach a couple of posts from our Forum member Perlengarten, though, that have me a little bit confused: whereas some, not all of the beads look identical to mine, he says the Venetians are matte finish and a little dirty, whereas the Indonesians are shiny, new production...

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Posted by: beadman Post Reply
10/02/2021, 13:32:51

Hello Nishedha,

I'll make a generalization that may hold some water.

The Venetian industry is very old. But we might find that, over time, any editions of particular beads may be more-or-less alike.

In contrast, the Javanese industry is less than thirty years old, and over that short time we might find visible variations in otherwise similar beads within thos designs.

A few years ago I bought a necklace of black & white Javanese beads, that includes three spherical combed beads, plus several other designs. They are merged by their technique, and because of the surface finish applied. Meaning, they had been purposely matted. I know approximately when these were acquired in Indonesia—so I know that among Javanese beads, these would be "early." I would not expect later beads, and beads from a different factory to replicate the beads I have. They will just be different. Mine are larger, more-carefully-made, and matted.

So, expect less variation among Venetian beads, and more variation among Javanese beads.



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Very subtle
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Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
10/04/2021, 08:17:09

I feel also they are early Javanese,if I do rightly understand you.
Thank you.



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