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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
05/18/2020, 04:09:56

This bead was presented to me as Japanese. I am afraid I have no measurements but it was at least 1,5cm big. This looks way to rough to be Japanese in my humble opinion. I am really curious what it is. So thanks for taking a look.
I hope everyone is doing OK in these trying times.
Take care and keep safe.

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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
05/18/2020, 04:11:08

Sorry for the poor quality.

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the bead appears fascinating anyway.
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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
05/18/2020, 04:29:29


is it around the size of an Ojime?
if its black deposit inside the hole then its likely to be furnace-wound and might be made in India



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Re: the bead appears fascinating anyway.
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
05/20/2020, 08:46:43

Thank you Stefany. At the time I thought India as well. Whenever I get the chance to see it in person, I'll have a proper look and take measurements and details.

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What I Notice
Re: Bead Identification. Help please. -- karavanserai Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
05/20/2020, 21:38:54

In viewing your photos I am impressed (!) that the decorations appear to have been sticks of glass that were blunted on the ends, and applied. In other words, they were simple preformed parts, and not derived from trailing (semi-molten glass)—as would be typical of Venice and other industries.

I have documented a number of beads that have this sort of application. One group was intended to simulate Tibetan zi beads. (These are have what appear to be very simple rudimentary cane elements, to create the eyes.) I've seen these beads a few times, and I own a set of them—and showed them in my 2002 article "Tibetan Zi Beads," for Arts of Asia, in Plate VI. I attach it here. The beads I refer to are in the lower middle area, but not the lowest beads. Two beads are fusiform (elongate), and three below them are oblate. I have no practical idea where these were made. But I have to assume the makers were not proficient at trailing. So, India, China, and even Japan come to mind.

The other beads I've seen are old African-made powderglass beads—as are discussed in Wild Beads of Africa. It is very apparent that West Africans were not adept at making trailed decorations (directly onto beads)—though they made impressive versions of preformed elements, that were used to simulate other beads that interested them.

So, whomever made your bead, it is from an industry that did not indulge in routine conventional trailing. My best guess would be India. But I am not confident this is the answer.

Jamey

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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
05/25/2020, 16:14:50

Thank you for this insight into the bigger picture.

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India, Furnace wound
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
05/24/2020, 10:24:27

This is a picture of a sample card that I photographed in India.

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Bingo!
Re: India, Furnace wound -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: stefany Post Reply
05/24/2020, 10:27:37



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Often misrepresented on line as vintage & antique Venetian
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
05/24/2020, 11:15:35

Many of the designs on this card regularly appear for sale online and are mostly misrepresented as old Venetian trade beads.

Too bad the Bead Police were put out of operation...



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Great, Floor
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Posted by: Hans06 Post Reply
05/24/2020, 14:10:33



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What a great find. Thank you Floor!!!
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
05/25/2020, 16:05:41

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double message, sorry
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
05/25/2020, 16:06:41

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Any date on the sample card?
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
05/26/2020, 04:13:11

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Date on card
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
05/26/2020, 07:40:38

The sample card was from a working company, that would have these beads in stock or would produce them when ordered. The card itself seemed no older than a few years. The picture was taken in late 2018 in Purdilnagar.

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Thank you for this additional info Floor.
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
05/27/2020, 10:13:10

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