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Posted by: Nasia Post Reply
03/05/2020, 12:37:51

Hello,

I am very new to this forum and not sure how it works.
I would like some help in identifying these beads please.

Many Thanks,

Nasia

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Re: Unknown Painted Milk Glass Beads -- Nasia Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/06/2020, 13:35:54

Hello Nasia,

Welcome to the Forum.

There are many beads whose origins, names, and natures remain unknown. Sometimes there are no satisfying answers for inquiries.

Your beads appear to be glassy and hollow—and that they have have been molded. These qualities suggest the material may be porcelain or a glassy-ceramic. And, being hollow, one might consider that the beads are slip-molded in a two part mold. It seems apparent that the beads have been painted or glazed with a red material, that has not been permanentized, and has been scraped or worn-away in places.

There is, essentially, no easy way to make molded spherical glass beads that are also hollow. So it is fairly likely your beads are not glass. But they might be a glassy ceramic. And that would rule-out certain industries, and suggest others.

These attributes cause one to dismiss many beadmaking industries as possible candidates for said manufactures. For instance, they would not be Venetian—since Venetian practices are well-described and known, and are profoundly different.

Beads such as yours are more-easily attributed to the Central European bead industries, such as Czechoslovakia, Austria, or Germany. Nevertheless, there are slip-molded ceramic beads from China—though these are quite different in appearance from your beads. I think we also have to consider the French industry located at Briare (south of Paris), since they manufactured molded glass and/or ceramic-glass beads. But whether Briare made HOLLOW productions is a topic that has been discussed, but not verified (as far as I know).

Let's consider for a moment that your beads may have been made from two molded hemispheres, that were then joined in complimentary pairs, and fused together to form a hollow spherical bead. It should, then, be possible to find the seam where the join was made. However, a slip-molded bead would also have such a seam. So finding a seam is not conclusive regarding either material nor method of manufacture.

The short answer is, I cannot identify you beads (!). But the above represents the trains of thought that must be pursued to have even a vague idea of what the product may be.

I will look forward to the opinions of my friends Stefany and Floor, who may have more to say.

Jamey



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Re: Re: "Unknown Painted Milk Glass Beads" fascinating!
Re: Re: "Unknown Painted Milk Glass Beads" -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: stefany Post Reply
03/07/2020, 05:55:38

its really important to know the sizes-
also are we sure they are hollow or is the darkness visible inside the holes a coating or accumulated dirt/residue along a straight hole?



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Some other red over white milk glass
Re: Unknown Painted Milk Glass Beads -- Nasia Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
03/09/2020, 09:46:00

Could your beads be related to these molded Czech beads?

I don't know enough about the technology to know how the red layer was applied, or its composition. These beads have distinctly tapered holes.

It would be good to know whether your beads have tapered holes, and also what size are the beads? Where & when were they acquired?

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Re: Some other red over white milk glass -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
03/18/2020, 00:34:06

)h my goodness Rosanna I've never seen Prosser beads that looked like they were "colored"- even the core! Trying to imagine the possibilities and methods available back then...hummm !

Bead lover, collector since Age 15, semi-retired had wholesale/retail bead, folk art, tribal art store Lost and Found Gallery for 25 yrs. in DT Greensboro, NC

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Prosser beads
Re: Re: Some other red over white milk glass -- AnneLFG Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
03/18/2020, 12:28:55

Prosser beads come in a much greater variety than people often think. They were made in a huge range of shapes and many different ways of coloring and decorating them.

On the question of hollow Prosser beads. They do exist, but I do not think they ever made into full production. The only one that I am pretty sure of is the middle bead in the first picture. It is in the personal collection from a woman who lives in Briare, where the Bapterosses factory was located. Some of the other beads in this picture might also be hollow or partly hollow, like the large blue one. However, I can not be sure. The same goes for the strand in the second picture (of which one is also in the first picture), from the Briare museum. There were lots of experiments in Briare. From weird chevron type beads to odd shapes and coloring methods. Many never were sold, and many experiments failed.

I have not found any hollow Prosser beads on any of the (many) sample cards or Prosser beads that I have seen in both Briare and Jablonec.

It is impossible for me to answer for sure if the beads shown are Prosser beads, but it is an option.

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