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Posted by: Marathon Post Reply
03/03/2020, 01:32:08

Hi all. Please, can u help me to identify beads.
Thanks a lot

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03/03/2020, 01:33:23

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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/03/2020, 12:28:20

It is very difficult to distinguish between checker (or "chequer") beads from the Roman Period, from those that date from 1,000 years later into the Islamic Period. So, in general, one could say these beads are ca. 1,000 to 2,000 years old.

JDA.



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Posted by: Marathon Post Reply
03/05/2020, 23:24:38

daer beadman, thank you very much for your competent answer!
sorry for delay, i was in mountains few days, without internet.



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You are welcome!
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Posted by: Marathon Post Reply
03/03/2020, 01:35:02

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Sorry, i dont know how add more than 2 photo.
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We have the same issue here. Ca. 1,000 to 2,000 years ago.
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03/03/2020, 12:29:29



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03/03/2020, 01:36:00

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Possibly from the Phoenician Period—2,500 years ago, based on style.
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03/03/2020, 12:30:44



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Posted by: Marathon Post Reply
03/05/2020, 23:28:24

Thanks. i also think that phoenician.
but dont what abour colour bead.



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Posted by: Marathon Post Reply
03/05/2020, 23:29:16

Thank u . Colour bead is strange



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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/06/2020, 13:40:31

Regarding the colors, the bead appears to be opaque yellow on a black base. This is not an unusual color combination. However, over time, glass—particularly if it were to be 2,500 years old—would be inclined to decay and change in color. What was originally a brighter opaque yellow, might become more somber ochre tone.

These are changes that should be expected in ancient glass beads. JDA.



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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/03/2020, 12:25:12

"Antique" encompasses approximately 100 years ago to 600 years ago (for glass beads) and to 1,000 years ago for other materials. The Roman Period was 2000+ years ago. So "antique Roman" is nonsensical. One would say "ancient Roman."

In the bead marketplace, there are not very many beads that would be rightly characterized as "Greek." There are some, of course. They are mostly not glass beads, apart from some very archaic types from early glass history. (These are well-discussed in the Proceedings of the Istanbul Bead Conference, 2007.)

Here's a dialogue that may help you understand time periods, and some basic ways to think about beads:

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=49178&iZz=49178&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0

Good luck. Jamey


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Time Periods, from 2006
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/03/2020, 12:40:29


Related link: http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=40428&iZz=40428&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0

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Another dialogue from 2006
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/03/2020, 12:46:57

This discusses some of the issues faced when trying to date and determine the origin(s) of archaeological bead assemblages:

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=36686&iZz=36686&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0


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From 2009—more time period confusion
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/03/2020, 12:53:39


Related link: http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=64948&iZz=64948&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0

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Also from 2009
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/03/2020, 12:56:09


Related link: http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=get&cG=6393032343&zu=3638393633&v=2&gV=0&p=

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Posted by: Marathon Post Reply
03/05/2020, 23:32:37

So "antique Roman" is nonsensical. One would say "ancient Roman."

Thank you very much for explaining!
and for a link.
I will read. very interesting



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Posted by: Marathon Post Reply
03/05/2020, 23:49:45

Thank you very much, Beadman - very interesting and infomating info. Sorry for my bad English.
Can I show u another my beads?



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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
03/06/2020, 12:54:04

You are welcome.

I am reminded of 1983, when the first "collector bead book" was published in Japan and available in America. We were very excited to see it, even though it was a small book, presented in Japanese, with only photo captions in English. There were very few books dedicated to beads at that time—and this was clearly a top Japanese collection. My friend Elizabeth Harris paid to have a translation of the text made, and then she distributed it to anyone who was interested. I have a copy.

My expectations were low, in terms of finding helpful information, since English captions said nonsensical things, such as "Roman beads from the 19th century." Either the beads were "Roman" and from much earlier; or what may have been intended was "Italian beads," from the 19th C.

And issues such as this were apparently translation issues.

Even when I was in Nigeria in 1998, I was speaking with a woman who sold coral beads, and she referred to her Mediterranean coral beads (from Torre del Greco, near Naples) as "Roman coral." And I said to myself, "perhaps she buys Neapolitan coral from some middleman in Rome." "Or, perhaps she really means 'Italian' when she says 'Roman'." These are issues that can be difficult to sort-out. But there are possible answers or explanations. And there is accurate information that can be known and shared.

So, I have been dealing with bead names and terms for a very long time. And I understand that certain things are said (in English) by non-English speakers (or writers), who are dealing with new and different concepts—and who may not express themselves with great precision. But, even people who speak English, often, do not express themselves accurately and clearly. Talking about beads is "new territory" for many people—regardless of where they live, and what language they speak.

One thing about beads that is universal is that they bring people together. In several ways. We are sharing our interest and amazement, for artifacts that are meaningful and significant. Or even just beautiful. And something that brings people together, from anywhere and everywhere, is a thing to be honored and celebrated. And shared.

BCN Forum is a great place to pursue these interests. So, to reply to your question—yes, I would be happy to see whatever beads you may have that interest you.

Be well. Jamey



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Posted by: marathon Post Reply
03/09/2020, 11:51:01

Dear Jamey, thank you very much for the detailed and competent answer and for your time. Can you look please this beads?
thank you

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Posted by: marathon Post Reply
03/09/2020, 11:52:13

i have better photo 4MB (very qualite if zoom it)
but i dont know how to add big size photo.



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These beads span the Roman Period through the Islamic Period.
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03/09/2020, 15:54:38



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