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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
01/19/2020, 06:08:06

I will bring these Italian Maiolica glaze-decorated motto beads that i just acquired today -they were not cheap for me- but unusual and rare, so hope to swap some of them individually with bead collector friends i may meet...

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Great find Stefany!
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
01/19/2020, 09:51:28

I have exactly one of these and paid dearly for it....



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Very nice!
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
01/19/2020, 14:09:41

So nice to see a group like that! I believe I have 2. No more than 3.



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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
01/21/2020, 01:27:19

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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
01/21/2020, 04:27:11

yes i've seen these in the museum and seem to recollect there was a note from the donor with them describing them as spindle whorls- which i pointed out at the time was a mistake-
however, little notice was taken...

if they were used as spindle whorls they would not have worked properly because the holes are large and not very regular so some would have spun lopsided.

the ones i got last year were dangling from a strip of embroidery that may have been designed to include them- which i showed here a while back, -they are much more likely to display how they were often used- and included in sets of 4 to weigh down the corners of small tablecloths...



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Tablecloths for cardtables or parlor games.
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01/21/2020, 06:01:16



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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
01/21/2020, 08:08:09

Frustrating when a Museum ignores input on an object..they could have at least put a sub-comment. Yes Spindle Whorls are balanced, for sure.
I see your and Jamey's comments about the Lace tablecloth weights. Never would have guessed although I have seen netting/lace weighted with beads, tossed over drinks or a Pitcher to keep flies out..Cool that they weigh Lace Tablecloths down also..(how pretty the World used to be...at least in some Parlors lol). They still evidently use the tablecloth weights, especially for outdoor Picnics but not as lovely as yours! Those really are very nice! Great Find!

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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
01/21/2020, 08:53:38

Anne
They are not spindle whorls, which are also not the same as Lace bobbin beads, (Spangles), either.

your example shows a nice piece of lace trimmed with smaller old large-holed glass beads to weigh down a cover to keep flies out of the milk or cream jug.
my examples are"Maiolica"-glazed pottery beads whose decoration is added in or below the final layers of glaze- a technique for many kinds of pottery specially developed in Italy in the towns of Gubbio and Deruta. there's probably some more to be found online -hopefully not misleading information ...
the oldest may be 17th or 18th century and some may have been made late 19th-early 20th C.
they are rather rare, collectable and valuable because they are individually painted/glazed as well as displaying wise mottos in Latin!



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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
01/21/2020, 09:37:22

I must have been editing out my comment about lace bobbin beads and did so because I thought it would add to the confusion and since you know they aren't that anyway and they have been ID'd .
Very cool find! Have Fun in Tucson. No travel $ for me this year as we are doing Renovation on a 100 Y/O house. However those of us that cannot attend will look forward to seeing Photos of what everyone shares on their return..
Safe Travels and Happy Hunting!
Anne

P.S. Answer to Not the same Beads: I was showing the beaded lace cover for a cup or a pitcher and was not trying to indicate they were the same beads- only similar Generally in concept only..

OR were you referring to the First Post pic from the V&A Museum? I only posted one photo but linked others and some of the other beads (Pinterest Page) more resemble yours. I just edited to display another of the photos from the Pinterest Link.
enough worry for one day.

also I never thought they were spindle whorls...even though the Museum possibly does.

In any event, no worries, and sorry to cause any confusion.

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The tablecloths I refer to were square, and have a single bead attached in each corner.
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
01/21/2020, 14:31:54

These beads are routinely found in sets of four—and this, circumstantially, indicates their previous use.

JDA.



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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
01/22/2020, 01:22:31

Absolutely what I thought too.

Thanks

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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
01/21/2020, 13:54:39

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=get&cG=33739333634383&zu=33373933363438&v=2&gV=0&p=

I'm having trouble adding links to the Link URL line so you'll have to copy & paste this URL from 2017.

Seems there are some references to the beads being spindle whorls, but also for embellishments for table cloths, pillow, etc. Also that there were different "generations" of bead with Latin phrase.s from this region.



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