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Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
12/30/2019, 10:21:04

Picked up about 20 of these.

Any guesses as to where they were made?

They are very well made beads not drilled cores, I don't thing they are Chinese but I may be wrong.
They were sold as Venetian but any opinions would be welcome.
Beads avg 16mmx10mm

Wayne

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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
12/30/2019, 12:40:30

There are translucent pink chevron beads made by Art Seymour and from Venice (if I am remembering correctly).

I think that if there were a Chinese version we would be seeing many more of them in the bead marketplace.

If these are Seymour beads, it's rather odd that that would be unknown—he being a master-beadmaker of considerable reputation; and his beads being widely coveted. In other words, his name is a selling feature. I have a photo of a pink Seymour bead that I documented about eight or ten years ago. Unfortunately, not easily at-hand.

Jamey



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This was sold to me as Venetian
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/30/2019, 13:57:27

From a seller that buys in Venice. I no longer have this bead so I can't take a picture of the hole. I have a vague recollection that it was a drilled hole though - not sure.

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It might be drilled!
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
12/30/2019, 14:34:56

In the mid-1980s, the Picards had some "chevron beads" that had a specific origin. Pieces of solid (millefiori) canes were cut a-la-chevron beads, and drilled. These were unusual cane designs, in terms of color combinations and patters—some being floral.

So your bead could be that. Jamey



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Got one like this from Nicole a couple of years ago, I don’t doubt Venetian origin.
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
01/03/2020, 23:22:54

It does not look drilled , 8 layers with thin white core.



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In case this helps
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/30/2019, 15:44:13

A bead friend sent me a picture of his Seymour pink chevron.

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Posted by: lopacki Post Reply
12/31/2019, 10:35:28

Suzi and I have one also.



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I have one of these too.
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
01/03/2020, 23:24:39



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Another bead that's a possible relative
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/30/2019, 21:18:39

Here's a picture of a bead from the 1980s that both Art and Jamey considered to be Venetian. The pink inner layer looks similar to your bead's outer layer.

Picture and comments forwarded from a bead collector friend.

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I have three of these. All different. They were certainly bought and published as "Venetian."
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
12/30/2019, 22:33:19



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Posted by: veniceusa Post Reply
01/02/2020, 16:07:14

Maybe you bought them from Cattelan in Murano? I have some pink ones too, in addition to some beautiful green ones. Often times he would find millefiori canes and have them cut, grounded, and drilled.



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Not at all!
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
01/03/2020, 19:33:09

The three beads I have (and a fourth I didn't get) were published by Robeert Liu in Ornament the early 1980s. They were said to be experimental productions—and I have seen their like very few times. And, in fact, their technique is somewhat poor—as though the canemaker may have been just learning to make these productions. I lucked out when these beads were acquired from the owner (who had passed away) and were being offered at eBay from a Bay Area seller. I think I am very lucky to have them.

Luigi began making canes in about 1995. Initially, for the use of Michel Pacielo and Andrea Turquetto—who wanted new 7-layer beads made, to sell to Africans. I met Luigi in 1996—and at that time documented his inventory (and, with his kindness, I received a reasonable sample collection). I am very familiar with his inventory from that time, to the present. And, if I were to show any of his beads I would identify them as that.

The "chevron beads" I have (and that I have documented) that were cut from solid millefiori canes, and were shaped and drilled, were bought from John Picard. It is possible that Luigi had a hand in their making—but I was not told this at that time—which was the late 1980s or early '90s. Most of these canes, that included either star or flower patterns, were Moretti canes.

Have a great 2020. Jamey



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Here Are Those Three Beads
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
01/03/2020, 20:02:36

The fourth bead was somewhat small, had a bright teal exterior (like the bead on the right here); and had a floral interior (similar to the wine-red bead). I have a photo given to me by Robert Liu..., somewhere. J.

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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
12/31/2019, 02:16:50

Just went on Art Seymour ETSY where he sells some of his beads and found this Pink 6 layer described as:
"This is a selenium pink and white disk chevron made around 1996,It is very clear and is a very subtle color. The bead is a little oval and has a large 11mm hole. It is about 31mm in diameter and 12mm thick."

Not sure if this helps but it is a point of comparison- both 12 points and similar...But in this construction, at least, his is Five Layers, he uses clear Pink glass alternating with opaque white. Wish I could find a better "match". You could DM him and send a Pic of the bead?

Link to ETSY Art Seymour: https://www.etsy.com/shop/SeymourChevrons?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=107559974

Bead lover, collector since Age 15, semi-retired had wholesale/retail bead, folk art, tribal art store Lost and Found Gallery for 25 yrs. in DT Greensboro, NC

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Thank you everyone for your input, its greatly appreciated
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12/31/2019, 06:12:33



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Posted by: lopacki Post Reply
12/31/2019, 10:32:56

Looks like it may be an early Art Seymour bead to me. ART?



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Posted by: JP Post Reply
01/01/2020, 17:13:12

Hello Wayne,

They are Chinese. We got some of these and others from Abdul.
I can't remember exactly when but it must be more than 10 years ago.
We got a bunch of handsome chevrons from him at that time and piled them in a box.
Tomorrow I will take a picture of them and post it.
Happy new year to all
JP



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Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
01/02/2020, 07:40:30

Thank you, I knew Chinese was always a possibility but hoped they were too nice to be.
Paid less than $3 a piece so still very happy with them.
Thanks again

Wayne



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Posted by: JP Post Reply
01/02/2020, 17:57:24

Yes Chinese chevrons are usually a synonym for junk among many people.
However I bought them because I found them attractive snd well made with no drilled core like the ones they had previously made.
I think these are overall better made that many of their Venetian counterparts, and they were also inexpensive.
Looking at the blue and yellow ones, I have a hard time to see a difference with the ones from the Conterie , just maybe a stronger blue.
JP

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Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
01/02/2020, 19:57:35

Those are all good looking beads
. I agree a good looking well made bead is nice to have regardless of origin.
Thank you for the pictures



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Posted by: stefany Post Reply
01/03/2020, 01:45:53

dear John
are both photos of chinese Chevs, or which lot are Venetian?

i agree that they are all lovely- why be snobby about their origins if we want to design with them, but its still useful to be clear studying the recent development and history of the glass beadmakers craft skills.



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Posted by: JP Post Reply
01/03/2020, 08:25:16

Hello Stephany
All beads in both pictures are Chinese.
They are all chevrons except for one strand of round millefiori type.
JP



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Posted by: JP Post Reply
01/02/2020, 17:58:44

Yes Chinese chevrons are usually a synonym for junk among many people.
However I bought them because I found them attractive snd well made with no drilled core like the ones they had previously made.
I think these are overall better made that many of their Venetian counterparts, and they were also inexpensive.
Looking at the blue and yellow ones, I have a hard time to see a difference with the ones from the Conterie , just maybe a stronger blue.
JP

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Late to the party, but yes, Chinese...Happy New Year, Everyone!
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
01/03/2020, 23:19:16

And JP’s group shot is a great document! I remember when the pinks were available for a short time, by the strand only, and I love pink but just couldn’t cough up the strand price. They sold quickly. The Chinese seller Luu Beads ( and I may not remember the correct spelling) sold Chinese chevrons on their website for a couple of years and had pinks in various sizes. About 4 years ago Saibo gave me a lonely stray Chinese pink chevron from his case that could be from the same litter as Wayne’s, about 30mm long.



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Posted by: Finfan Post Reply
02/01/2020, 17:53:49

I saw a strand of chevrons that looked very similar if not the same as that in Tasarts portion of the Ethnographic room. I don't think he would be displaying anything cheap and modern.



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