Hello BCN, JAmey and STephany and all

I am interested to also know from where these beads probably came from

thanks in advance
from Walter

I think the likelihood is that these are German beads from Idar-Oberstein—that were made to be insinuated into Asian bead commerce. The general parameters apply. After 1881, but probably before ca. 1940.

But I want to add, I am not confident. I would want to see these beads IRL to settle my thoughts. J.

I am not sure either. They could be Idar-Oberstein, but the perforation appears different from the ones generally seen from Germany. Most often, the hole is smaller in German beads. But, as Jamey says, impossible to know for sure unless you have them in your hands.

Walter, can you see if the hole is drilled straight through, or were they drilled from each end to meet in the middle?

I need to point out something.

I have 2 different posts about different beads.

If you look at the 2 beads in this post these I do not believe are from Idar.

These are India, Pakistan or Afghanistan. I was hopeful some one would recognize them???

My other post with 16 fusiform beads these are the ones I believe Jamey was referencing the beads from Idar Oberstein,the post with 16 beads.

Please look at my other post.

These 2 beads in this post, the walls of the bead are so thin. Never seen such thin beads.

from Walter

The second post is not Idar Oberstein, and it is only 2 beads. Super thin walls. I am most sure ancient not modern Idar Oberstein.

Maybe you are thinking about the 2 beads being from Idar?? Please advise

I will mail to you and give you one Idar for your studies and comparison for future beads.

sincerely from Walter

Hello

Did you see the other post with the 16 beads. These are Idar Oberstein.

I do not believe this post with 2 beads is from Idar.

I just got off the road from LA to Santa Fe.13 hours straight.

I will post more info tomorrow.

adios to all

If you have a very thin needle (or a piece of wire) that you can insert into the perforation channel, you can probably tell if there's a rough place where the drilling (from each end) meets in the middle.

Most stone beads have been drilled from each end for thousands of years. The reason is that if a perforation is attempted from only one end, the bead has a tendency to break before the perforation is finished—once the drill gets close to the end.

Nevertheless, I can show beads that were drilled from only one end—and these are broken on the opposite end. So not everyone took the from-each-end approach. (I show these carnelian beads in my article here on "Pyu" beads.)

At Idar-Oberstein, long beads were routinely perforated from each end. The exceptions were short beads. For a short bead they did this: They glued the imperforate bead-blanks onto a hard wood board, using a very strong glue. Then they proceeded to drill these beads only from one end. Apparently the layer of glue combined with being against a hard surface, made most of their attempts successful a decent percentage of the time. This means they could get beads perforated faster, or with less work.

Jamey

I will try some new pictures this morning.

The larger bead is slightly squared at 4.7 mm x 5.1mm

The other beads is more round but still has slightly flattened sides with a slight widening in the middle. So slight almost not noticeable.

The beads are approx 0,5 to 0.6mm. I used a broom bristle to check for the bump in the middle and it is almost the exact same thickness as the beads?? Very thin

sincerely from Walter

Here I have posted 2 new pictures of the beads one with a bristle from my broom measures approx 0.6 mm

I hope you can see how thin these 2 beads are

from Walter