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Posted by: CoinCoin Post Reply
07/19/2019, 11:24:40

These from a collection with a lot of Naga material and these are strung that way and marked "jade." They remind me of African amazonite in color, but not in cut. Holes 3mm, fairly regular, little string wear. Does anyone recognize them or have an idea of origin / age?

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Posted by: TASART Post Reply
07/19/2019, 15:56:01

these appear to be Serpentine from the image, a simple scratch test would prove that



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Posted by: CoinCoin Post Reply
07/19/2019, 19:17:45

Pressing as hard as I can with a knife blade I can not make scratches visible even under magnification. Even scraping around inside a hole I could not dislodge material which explains no string wear even if they are old? Some beads show curved tool marks as shown.

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Posted by: TASART Post Reply
07/20/2019, 05:12:03

Like Jamey said, quite possibly a green Jasper, they don't appear to be a feldspar



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Jasper?
Re: crude "jade", ID help? -- CoinCoin Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
07/19/2019, 20:32:09

I would guess that these may be jasper beads of various jade-like colors. Possibly you are reminded of "African amazonite" because their green-stone beads of similar shapes include jasper as well as serpentine beads.

Needless to say, they are not Naga.

Be well. Jamey



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Posted by: frank Post Reply
07/21/2019, 11:36:26

I agree on the jasper but the light butterscotch ones are fairly typical massive alluvial quartz, quartz that has taken iron in but has not been heat treated. They are different from a calcedony or jasper because they have a crystalline structure not a slightly harder micro crystalline structure.You can see small pits in one which is very typical. North America has some very hard serpentines , up to a 5 on the mohs scale , the same as feldspar, but I have never seen a serpentine product from the rest of the world nor seen an academic reference from any other locale of a serpentine that is atypically hard. I found the image very interesting because I hoped to find a vesuvianite or grossular bead in the mix.With a matt finish they can look similar , are very hard and are fairly widespread and were used as lithic drill bits yet I have never seen a bead of either rough.



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