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Etched carnelian small beads from India??
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Posted by: metateman Post Reply
07/01/2019, 15:27:01

Hello to the group

Here I am showing my small etched carnelian beads approx 11mm

Next picture 4 very small etched beads. One maybe etched coral?? 13x 5mm
and one had the diagonal lines 11mm x 5mm

Please help to identify origin I welcome all comments.

many thanks in advance

sincerely from Walter Anderson

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Re: Carnelian Beads From India?
Re: Etched carnelian small beads from India?? -- metateman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
07/01/2019, 16:28:03

Please read the essay posted here related to "Pyu" beads from Burma. This demonstrates that the technology for making chemically-decorated beads was very likely transferred from India to Burma, some 2000 (+) years ago. (Now, I would follow protocol and refer to these as Tircul beads.)

You have a bead that is brighter red, and has dark gray lines. This is what Beck called a "Type III" carnelian bead. ("Black on red."). If this is the bead you think might be coral, it is not coral. The chemical decoration process would not be successful on organic materials; nor on practically any minerals apart from agate.

All of your beads were probably made in India. However, Burma cannot be entirely ruled-out.

JDA.



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Re: Re: Carnelian Beads From India? -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: metateman Post Reply
07/01/2019, 18:31:44

Can you tell me an approx age??

Thanks again from Walter



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Ca. 1000 to 2000 years ago (+ or -)—I would guess.
Re: Re: Re: Carnelian Beads From India? -- metateman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
07/02/2019, 00:05:30



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Intriguing
Re: Etched carnelian small beads from India?? -- metateman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
07/02/2019, 02:11:14

I wonder how it is that in some places the decorative stripes look as if they were applied OVER the (concoidal) broken areas.



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Penetration
Re: Intriguing -- nishedha Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
07/04/2019, 06:14:57

The process of applying an alkaline liquid, that is fired to become permanent, is not just a superficial process. The liquid percolates into the stone (sometime unpredictably). It also changes the crystallography of the stone, and can result in some weakness. So, when areas chip away, the design is still there. And, in some instances, the entire lines fall way, leaving a recessed pattern. (This is why the process was mistaken for "etching").

Jamey



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Example of designs falling off of the bead
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Posted by: metateman Post Reply
07/04/2019, 06:38:48

Here you will notice on 2 beads where the white lines have fallen away or worn away over the centuries leaving the grooves where the designs used to be. Considering the designs have fallen or worn off please what approximate age to the worn out beads??

Enjoy the pictures

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