Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
08/10/2018, 17:08:23
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
08/10/2018, 19:18:49
These could easily be, and most-likely are, Venetian drawn wedge cylinders. They are very comparable to certain galet rouge (opaque red-over-green) beads, in the appearance of the beads (not color or structure). That would be my best guess and comparison. JDA.
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
08/12/2018, 01:22:44
Thank you Jamey. If you mean the opaque appearance of the centre of the galet rouge/green hearts than I understand. It also reminds me of the centre and 3d layer of 7 layer chevrons, but again not exactly the same colour.
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
08/13/2018, 08:10:52
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
08/23/2018, 08:45:21
OK, I misunderstood. Sorry about that. I 'm afraid I don't see what you see.
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
08/11/2018, 09:27:47
Any chance that you could show one with a straight view of the hole. That might determine if they are molded, drawn or wound.
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
08/12/2018, 01:05:19
I will do so Floor, as soon as I receive them somwhere next week.I am curious what possibilities you would expect.
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
08/18/2018, 05:44:51
Happy to hear your comments.
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
08/23/2018, 01:47:46
I thought it would show either the signs of molded, drawn or wound beads, but it is too difficult to tell. Don't think they are drawn.
They are ground down at the sides.
The color to me looks more like Czech, but they could still be Venetian wound beads too.
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08/23/2018, 08:43:07
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
09/03/2018, 13:04:44
Hello Martine, My reply was based on your determination that the beads are drawn. Seeing your close-up photo, and noting the jelly-like translucency and lack of structure, it is easy to guess these may be molded beads—and therefore well in the "family" of kakamba beads. Can you see any structural details that suggest the beads are drawn? Longitudinal lines or air bubbles? Nice beads anyway (!). Jamey
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
09/10/2018, 04:44:49
Sorry, the cameras did not want to cooperate. This is the best I could get out of them. I see bubbles, but no mold marks anywhere. Looks like a long tube was cut into pieces. Is a drawn cane possible, or are bubbles indications of mold work. I can't think straight.
Thanks for helping me out here.
martine
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
09/16/2018, 12:37:28
Hello Martine, I THINK I can see longitudinal lines that indicate the glass has been drawn (pulled)—confirming that the beads were reduced from canes. But this is not obvious yet. Since you have the beads, you should be able to use a magnifying lens, and make this determination. I suppose, based on your first message, this may be what you have already done. If the beads are indeed drawn, I return to my first suggestion, that these are probably Venetian cane beads. Not excluding the possibility that they might be Czech or Central European cane beads. Jamey
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Posted by: hans Post Reply
09/18/2018, 03:29:05
Hi Martine,
searching trough some sample cards from the Jablonec museum taken by Floor I found this card with some beads that resemble yours, I think
# 16818 and 16880 match in color
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09/21/2018, 19:55:28
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Posted by: hans Post Reply
09/22/2018, 10:15:14
of course, but whats more interesting is the header on the sample card: Cut Wheel Beads.
I suppose the drawn tubes where cut with a " cut wheel". Maybe that's why the sides of the beads are so matte and plain?
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Posted by: karavanserai Post Reply
10/01/2018, 02:28:28
At the 'Ethnic jewelry and textile fair' in Amsterdam we -Hans,Hendrik ,Nel- briefly met up at the amulet exhibition in 'de duif' - which Hans and Wil organized- and my 'kakamba' were inspected.
- bubbles were detected
- certainly Gablonz glass acc. to Hans
- most probably wheel cut
- no sign of mold
So the final question is still: how were they made?
martine
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