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"Tableau Cronografique' "#1 and #2
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Posted by: claudian

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08/26/2008, 16:52:02

I was playing with my beads and thought it might be fun to put together some beadscapes in order, from oldest to the most recent. I can't be certain I am right in each case, and there is one bead in two pics since I am not at all sure when it was made. The first pic features a few of the oldest beads made by man--the stone beads. Two of the beads/pendants are Sumerian(?)--a tiny soapstone frog and a human effigy pendant in marble. The plainer stone beads could be neolithic but therein lies the challenge with stone beads--how can you tell?? The second tableau features some very early frit beads, called Marlik after the area in which they were either made or found, or both. Around 1000BC...??? Jamey and you other experts feel free to step in at any time. Steve

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08/26/2008, 16:56:00

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08/26/2008, 16:58:32

#3 The so-called "Amlash" beads, ca 1200-800BCE. One might date a litte later...! #4 Beads most aften referred to as "Phoenician" though most probably are not. They are mostly from regions in the eastern Mediterranean and date around 600-400BCE. sm

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08/26/2008, 17:05:23

#5 Chinese Warring States beads, ca475BCE. #6 So-called "Roman" beads, which were made all over the place, but mostly in the area around Alexandria, Egypt, 200BCE-400AD. sm

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08/26/2008, 17:15:18

#7 For me this is the toughest bead to nail down. I think that the beads you see date as early as the Byzantine era and some as late as the so-called "Dark Ages," so 400AD-800AD, European(?) mostly. Many use motives from the Roman period. I think beads from this poorly documented period, assuming of course that I have any understanding of them at all, are among the most beautiful and mysterious of all beads. They are usually rather small in size, therefore affordable---usually. You also might spot ancient spindles whorls, Sassanian and Pre-Columbian. #8 I made a separate picture of Indonesian beads 'cause I love 'em so much. They are said to date as early as 600AD. sm

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08/26/2008, 17:20:42

#9 Our beloved "Islamic/Fustat" beads, made in around Old Cairo and to the south and west. They are gorgeous and come in an almost endless variety of shapes and colors. Around 1000AD. #10 7-layer Venetian chevrons, ca1500AD. sm

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08/26/2008, 17:24:24

#11 "Modern" trade beads, or those from the 17th century to the present. #12 A line-up of individual beads from the various periods, oldest to the left ending with the Czech "moonbead" on the far right. Hope this was fun for everybody. Steve

More Than Fun!
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Posted by: Barbara

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08/27/2008, 00:30:54

Apart from the scholarly chronological assemblies, I like the way you place the beads with rocks and plants, as if beads are categorised somewhere between the two, almost organic -

Re: More Than Fun! Thank you Barb--in my imagination they ARE organic
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Posted by: claudian

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08/27/2008, 03:50:45

Roman period molded/applied dot(?) "berry" bead, ca100AD. Thx-Steve

"Amlash" Beads
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Posted by: Beadman

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08/27/2008, 01:25:12

The name is misleading, since these beads have nothing to do with that supposed ancient site. Corning dates these beads to ca 500 BCE. I have always maintained that this is too early. Your date of 1200 to 800 BCE is WAAAY too early. (Where did that come from?) There's no real proof, but I'd place them at 300 BCE at the earliest. Remember, they are millefiori beads. They can't be earlier than the time the millefiori technique was exploited for general beadmaking�that essentially was during the so-called "Egypto-Roman Period."

Jamey

Thank you Jamey....
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08/27/2008, 02:46:13

I think my mind must be going(and it really probably IS going), but everything I thought I knew about these beads came from posting on this site, and that would mean you probably posting a response. Hmmm, all the eyes are so different so I did not suspect they were from canes. That is why I did these posts, though. I have owned Amlash pottery, which is from around 1000BCE, so that might be where I heard a date. I am having an exhibit of beads and pottery in October at a regional library so I needed a refresher course like this to avoid confusing the students with my "timeline."Regards-Steve

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08/27/2008, 02:54:03

They ARE canes(I wasn't doubting you for a moment...). It appears they only differ in size so I guess the "rods" tapered and became somewhat misshapen during the process. Thx/sm

Library Exhibit
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Posted by: Logan

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08/27/2008, 04:05:36

I hope to see photos of this exhibit. Wish I lived closer.

Thanks Logan--I'll post pics. I have to find a Chinese speaker....
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Posted by: claudian

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08/30/2008, 07:13:35

..so I don't have to do any lectures. I don't mind playing my fiddle in front of people but lectures/speeches, egad!!!! When I had my Aftrican art exhibit, attended no less by Ms Maya Angelou(a brief appearance..), I had to speak daily to haords of school kids who were bused from their schools to the library. It was exhausting. I also broke a few of my pieces carrying them around and back and forth to the house. It was a lot more work than I had anticipated. This time I will set things up and we will have one night with wine and a speaker. I will provide lots of written info for visitors, but I ain't gonna speak. There will be ancient beads, ancient Chinese pottery. beads, and jades, and god knows what else. Steve

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a little of the stuff that will travel. Pottery and even a Han Dynasty pot full of....
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08/30/2008, 07:32:59

...beads--the one on the floor to left. sm

Steve, Thank You!
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Posted by: Joyce

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08/26/2008, 20:35:13

It's great to have you back, and to see this wonderful essay of collectible ancients and antiques. It leaves me just sighing and going back to look again. The checkerboards are great - if you get a chance, could you possibly do a close up of them alone?

Re: Steve, Thank You! OK Joyce here ya go. They are stunning, and...
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Posted by: claudian

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08/27/2008, 03:53:55

...even though I want to date them to the Roman period, something tugs at me to list them as Islamic with Roman motif. Steve

Oops the size...largest is about 12mmx14mm.
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08/27/2008, 03:55:04

Thanks, Steve...Love them! Especially the smaller one with solid TEAL band at each end.
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Posted by: Joyce

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08/27/2008, 20:45:14

Steve it is nice to hear you again
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08/27/2008, 10:15:51

Thank you Gabriel--Hope you are well (and safe) in Nouakchott
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Posted by: claudian

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08/27/2008, 16:51:23

"Marlik" beads are glass. It's pretty common to misidentify them as "paste" or whatever.
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Posted by: Beadman

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08/27/2008, 01:15:55

Re: "Marlik" beads are glass.
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08/28/2008, 05:05:05

Hi Steve,

I happened to have this scan at hand, for the work I'm currently conducting. This shows a nicely preserved "Marlik" bead�that we can see remains glassy and light green in tone.

Many "Marlik" beads have become decayed from interment, and have consequently lost most of their color, and have become chalky white and fragile. One of the ways we can tell these decayed beads are glass (were we never to see well-preserved specimens), is to note the structure and decoration. The beads were furnace-wound (which faience would not be), and the decorations are trailed and combed. Faience beads do not normally have conventionally trailed decorations (with some significant exceptions�but these are not "conventional").

Jamey

Dates
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08/28/2008, 05:20:37

Dubin (1987) shows her "Marlik" bead at 800 BCE. Lankton (2003) places them at about 650 BCE (number 412), but remarks that they may date from as early as ca. the 14th C. BCE to as late as the 9th C. BCE. So, around 1,000 BCE is well in the ballpark.

JDA.

Interesting link
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Posted by: Joyce

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08/28/2008, 05:55:41