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Posted by: Silverbead Post Reply
05/28/2018, 12:35:46

Hello! I am new to bead collecting and this forum looks like a great place for advice! I would love to hear what people think about this necklace. It may not be worth much, or be that special, but I thought it was unusual and I love to know the history of things. There is no clasp to this necklace, the graduated beads are hand knotted on what looks like cotton or silk. The pink and milk white colour varies and appears speckled in some places. It is long (over 12in drop) and very heavy (over 3 oz). The beads clink and feel like glass. Any thoughts on their origin or age would be much appreciated!

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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
05/28/2018, 13:44:50

Hard to get a real feeling from the image, the mottled peach shading is unusual...

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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
05/28/2018, 13:56:15

Do I see a white base bead with pink blush on the outer surface? I am assuming it is imitation coral. But I can't see it very well.

I thought I knew, but now I'm not sure. Here is a link to something similar.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Art-Deco-Signed-French-Angel-Skin-Coral-Glass-Bead-Necklace/132527711661?hash=item1edb4465ad:g:nloAAOSwrxJancMP

Look very closely for bubbles... a sign it is glass.



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Posted by: Silverbead Post Reply
05/29/2018, 07:00:46

hank you Birdi. I did wonder if the beads were made to look like angel skin coral... The colour and mottled effect is exactly like the example you shared. There are no bubbles, but on some beads you can see what look like concentric layers around the hole.



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Most likely Czech
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
05/29/2018, 00:35:24

This necklace looks to me like it is most likely Czech, made from lampworked beads.
The Czechs very often mimicked natural materials in glass, and the graduated sizes of the beads also points to the Czech Republic.



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Posted by: Silverbead Post Reply
05/29/2018, 07:03:49

Thank you. I am interested to know where the beads might have been made. I see from a search online that there are also several similar angel skin type glass beads that are reported to be from Japan? Could that be another option for their origin?



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Indeed another option
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
05/29/2018, 13:10:47

They could also be Japanese. Sometimes it can be hard to tell the difference.
From the graduation my first choice is still Czech, though.



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Posted by: Silverbead Post Reply
05/29/2018, 14:25:48

That is fascinating about the graduation of beads-I've learned something new today!



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Czech
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Posted by: birdi Post Reply
05/29/2018, 08:43:13

I agree with Floor they are probably Czech glass.

Typically they would make a white bead, then roll the molten bead in powdered frit (colored glass). These beads used a very fine powder to create the color.

The only example I was able to find has a French clasp, so sorry for the confusion.

When I see the Japanese faux coral they are usually round beads and have on pink spot. Graduated strands are not typical with Japanese beads.



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Posted by: Silverbead Post Reply
05/29/2018, 14:28:22

Fascinating to know about the shape and one spot on Japanese beads-thank you.



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Perhaps the Japanese version?
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Posted by: lindabd Post Reply
05/30/2018, 08:51:35

These I think, provide an example of the Japanese coral imitations that Birdi describes above.

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These are similar, but shinier
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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
05/29/2018, 09:32:00

I've had these for maybe 20-25 years and I had two main sources for (non-trade) vintage beads then. A woman who gathered NOS (new old stock) from warehouses in Rhode Island, and a woman who somehow gleaned vintage Japanese and Czech glass beads, also NOS.

Mine seem a little translucent, with a clear bright finish that almost suggest an a/b finish. Like yours, more pink towards the holes, but actually white around the actual holes. Very clean straight holes.

I always thought they were Japanese, but I bow to the experts. :^)

These came in two sizes.

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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
05/29/2018, 09:37:29

I store these in an old printers type tray drawer/chest, and never cleaned the trays. So eventually this collection gathers...er...dust. (Actually, grime from the original moveable type.)

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Posted by: odan Post Reply
05/30/2018, 06:33:04

Welcome to the "FORUM"
There's always room for one more member.
How did you come to start collecting beads???
Be sure to check out the articles and galleries.
Where are you located ?

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Posted by: Silverbead Post Reply
05/31/2018, 00:33:08

Thank you! I'm excited to be part of this network! I am based in Oxford in the U.K. I wanted to ask the same question of others-what bead -or beads-first gave them the collecting bug!? I've always appreciated beads, but I started collecting in earnest earlier this year when I discovered a beautiful graduated bead necklace in a charity shop and started researching it. It turned out to be amber, and I just found it so amazing that the beads were made from a substance formed millions of years ago.



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Posted by: odan Post Reply
06/01/2018, 11:24:08

Don't you just love the internet….England, We have members from all over the planet.
Me...I'm not the wisest but I have an Ebay store so I'm always asking dumb questions about beads. I really don't want to be one of those Ebay sellers who isn't HONEST about what they are selling.
It's like one big family here. That means that sometimes you'll get to see some.....some very passion driven discussions about bead topics.
If you aren't involved in one of these, they are most entertaining.
But it always goes back to normal.
There's many published authors of bead information and even a few stars of the bead world hanging out here too. Ilove this forum.
So glad to see you join and I hope we get a chance to know you better
Keep us posted when you find something cool. Welcome aboard.

Odan...dba..dannoh….aka. Cpt. Longline

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