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Chinese so-called "Peking" Ruby Red Glass Beads - pre WWII vs 1990s
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/09/2018, 12:42:39

The thread on Chinese bead shop signs inspired me to drag out my boxes of Chinese glass beads, purchased in the 1990s from the Dunnings at Hands of the Hills. If I remember correctly, these were beads purchased by Akha traders in China, and are worn with traditional costume.

Some beads have definitely been worn, and have satiny surfaces and flattened ground ends. The ones strung with the garnet-glass tube beads are in this category, as are the two strands of brighter red beads.

The less worn strands pictured with the handful of loose beads made in the 1990s demonstrate what seem to be differences between the older and newer beads - the older ones are more carefully made, very round and comparatively well-matched, with uniform holes; the newer ones are more like donuts, with winding marks and more bubbly glass, sloppy holes.

I dug out the 1990 Volume 2 of Beads: The Journal of the Society of Bead Researchers that contains the cover photo and article by Rick Sprague about modern Chinese beads, which shows fairly nice red beads on the cover.

So I wonder...could the beads with worn ends date to the 1930s, similar to those seen in the shop signs and before the Boshan glass factories were destroyed during WWII?
Or are they post-WWII, say, 1960s-70s, and merely abraded from a couple of decades of wear?

What about the well-made beads in comparatively un-worn condition? 1980s seems likely?

Dug out my little pocket spectroscope, and all beads (even the dark garnet cylinder beads) display a red/black selenium type spectrum.

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01/09/2018, 12:43:21

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Re: Chinese so-called "Peking" Ruby Red Glass Beads - pre WWII vs 1990s -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/10/2018, 12:29:36

Remember this website?

http://www.chinesesewingbaskets.com/small_baskets/page_13.html

Blues, greens, yellow, pink seem to have been popular.

Red not so much. Perhaps the glass recipes at the time were still using copper?

And possibly another link of interest on 19th century Satsuma copper red glass:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1151-2916.1999.tb01818.x/abstract

The origin of the ruby color of Satsuma glass, a famous copper-ruby glass produced in Japan in the mid-19th century, has been examined by electron microprobe analysis (EPMA), X-ray absorption fine structure (XAFS), and optical absorption spectroscopy analyses. CuK XAFS analysis reveals that the major component of copper in the ruby glass consists of Cu(I) ions in the glass structure. This species is distinct from Cu2O (cuprite), which we conclude is not responsible for the ruby color. Optical absorption spectra measured at 300 and 77 K clearly distinguishes the absorptions due to the colloidal particles of metallic copper and Cu2O. It is concluded that the trace amount of copper in the ruby glass, which is below the detection limit of the EPMA and XAFS techniques, exists as metallic copper particles of nanometer size and is responsible for the ruby-red appearance of the Satsuma glass.


Related link: http://www.chinesesewingbaskets.com/small_baskets/page_13.html
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
01/12/2018, 01:44:44

I bought these beads in the mid-to-late-1980s, when they were acquired from the Thai Hill Tribe area by a well-known importer (not Steve Dunning in this instance). It was the first time I ever saw old bright ruby-red Chinese glass beads.* The details of their manufacture (nice plump oblate shapes and flattened ends) lead me to conclude these were Boshan beads—and therefore not "Peking glass."

I don't understand the comment about Boshan factories being "destroyed during WWII" (?). Boshan bead factories persist into the 2000s, and were certainly operating in the '80s when Kan and Sprague (separately) documented this industry.

* This red glass is visually distinguishable from early-20th C. red "Peking glass" that was a more muted tone, and the glass more typically bubbly; and from the antique translucent copper-red beads of a dusky tone (published by Peter Francis).



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Industries in Japan-occupied parts of China in general were devastated.
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/12/2018, 11:25:48

I forget where I read the account and viewed the photos of post-WWII Boshan, but it was pretty grim.

Because of its geologic resources, Zibo (Boshan) recovered and of course is now a major industrial center, not just for glass and ceramics.



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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/14/2018, 11:14:23

eBay sold item 222732977331

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1942 recipe for selenium cadmium sulfur ruby glass
Re: Chinese so-called "Peking" Ruby Red Glass Beads - pre WWII vs 1990s -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/14/2018, 11:40:23

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1151-2916.1942.tb14360.x/abstract

I can see how this might not have gotten into production in China until after 1949.

Here's a more explanatory link:

https://www.google.com/patents/US2418684



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Bullseye glass and pollution
Re: 1942 recipe for selenium cadmium sulfur ruby glass -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/14/2018, 14:42:06

Reading about the hazard of selenium fumes in glass smelters, was reminded about this example in our own backyard.

The new report, written by a Bullseye contractor based in Tigard called the Bridgewater Group, said most of the pollution was found near the contaminated dry well at the site's southwest corner. In groundwater at that location, it found cadmium, another toxic metal, at a level that was 26 times the EPA's drinking water standard. It also found elevated levels of arsenic, cadmium, copper, lead, selenium, silver and zinc.

https://pamplinmedia.com/sl/371779-255552-pollution-problems-continue-to-plague-bullseye-glass-



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