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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
12/29/2017, 00:52:25

As a lover of Peking glass beads, it pains me to see them used this way!

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Awesome! I liked the faux mandarin necklace in the center of the one sign
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
12/29/2017, 09:26:55

Perhaps evidence for the theory that glass beads were used for the "officials" in opera costumes? Like glass jewels on Western opera costumes...

What is the source of these photos?



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Re: Awesome! I liked the faux mandarin necklace in the center of the one sign -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: jrj Post Reply
12/29/2017, 15:58:13

Re. the faux mandarin court necklace in the sign, the hole in the tabular bead is slotted for a tape and the drop has a early cap of the type seen on early drops. Is it your thought the necklace was made sometime between 1911 and the 1940s when the photo was taken or before 1911? My Chinese history is rusty; do you know why a faux mandarin court necklace (MCN) would have been made in either period? I wouldn't have thought there was much interest in them then and they are a relatively recent invention. Do you know how faux MCN were used before 1911 and from 1911-40s?

I've looked (not extensively) at old photos of theater and opera costumes (not enough to make me want to post this, but now that you mention it..), I've not run across any costumes with MCN or even many glass beads or necklaces. From my college era experience helping costume a student theater production, I'd be surprised glass would fare well with the wear and tear costumes endure. And, most of the headdresses from this period, like the one I own, seem to have pompons and fake pearls, but nothing I've noticed that look like Peking glass beads.

None of the above is expert commentary, just observations from looking at photos. Any facts or opinions are welcome.



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Hedda Morrison photos?
Re: Traditional bead shop signs, in or near Beijing, c. 1930s-40s -- jrj Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
12/29/2017, 09:31:42

http://beijing.virtualcities.fr/Texts/Articles?ID=50

[they're available online at the Harvard library, IIRC]

http://hcl.harvard.edu/libraries/harvard-yenching/collections/morrison/



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Thank you for your research. How did you go about gathering this information?
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
12/29/2017, 09:44:20



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A quick Google search for "Beijing 1930s shop signs"...
Re: Thank you for your research. How did you go about gathering this information? -- Frederick II Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
12/29/2017, 10:45:24

...turned up the academic article.

The Hedda Morrison photos were encountered while doing cloisonne research.

http://www.beadiste.com/2015/11/puzzling-evidence-hedda-morrison-and.html


Related link: http://www.beadiste.com/2015/11/puzzling-evidence-hedda-morrison-and.html

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Re: Thank you for your research. How did you go about gathering this information?
Re: Thank you for your research. How did you go about gathering this information? -- Frederick II Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: jrj Post Reply
12/29/2017, 13:48:07

I'm conducting research for a paper (unrelated to beads) and I came across these images while on the virtual cities site Beadiste mentioned.

Chris, there are a couple more lacquer images; I was going to send them to you later today, but here they are:

http://beijing.virtualcities.fr/Photos/Images?as=66

(If this link doesn't take you to the images, look up Beijing/images/then click on “b” or search for image no. 11038 and 11039.)

Chris, have you found a translate function on this site?



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I see no reason to doubt that a genuine MCN may have been used for the sign. Do you?
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12/29/2017, 20:38:03



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OK, I stand corrected, it's an older pre-1911 necklace recycled into a sign.
Re: I see no reason to doubt that a genuine MCN may have been used for the sign. Do you? -- Frederick II Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
12/30/2017, 13:14:54

Or the sign was made a quarter century earlier and no one saw any need to change it.



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Re: OK, I stand corrected, it's an older pre-1911 necklace recycled into a sign. -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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12/30/2017, 15:56:01



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No, but I'm a novice here.
Re: Traditional bead shop signs, in or near Beijing, c. 1930s-40s -- jrj Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: jrj Post Reply
12/29/2017, 22:06:35

Surely the MCN in the sign is composed of glass beads. (The hole in the tabular bead is slotted for a tape and the drop has an early cap; therefore there are at least two early components in the necklace.) Wouldn't a MCN composed of more valuable beads be disassembled and reconstituted as other jewelry or sold as individual pieces? However, except for cut glass beads, I wasn't aware (from reading BCN) that glass beads were used in MCN before 1911. Fred, any thoughts?

From a modern-day perspective, I was surprised to see the whole necklace, except counting beads, incorporated into the sign.



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Color, not quality, acts as insignia of rank. Better beads were used for important occasions.
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
12/29/2017, 23:12:51



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Basic information about the MCN…
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12/30/2017, 03:53:42



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Do you think the shop sign may have been advertising MCN for sale?
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12/30/2017, 17:20:49



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Re: Traditional bead shop signs, in or near Beijing, c. 1930s-40s -- jrj Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Karlis Post Reply
01/08/2018, 11:00:43

Valerie Hector asked that I post the following:

A hand-colored drawing of such a bead shop sign is included in various editions (attributed to various authors - see OCLC) of the 1931 book Shop Signs of Peking. Here is a link to the copy posted on Sotheby's website:

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/lot.197.html/2016/china-print-paper-l16409

the shop signs of peking (yandu sha ||| asia ||| sotheby's l16409lot8y8nmen
View auction details, art exhibitions and online catalogues; bid, buy and collect contemporary, impressionist or...

Peter Francis was the first, I think, to reference such a shop sign in the 20th century bead literature, including a sketch of the sign in his early monograph on Chinese beads and citing Louise Crane's 1927 book China in Sign and Symbol.

I am attaching an image of the sketch that appeared in Peter's monograph - also an image of the hand-colored drawing that appeared in Shop Signs of Peking.

Valerie Hector

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Posted by: Valerie Hector Post Reply
01/08/2018, 13:46:11

thank you, Karlis, and glad to be a new member here at beadcollector.net courtesy of Joyce. Hedda Morrison apparently took at least one more photo of a bead shop sign in or around Peking ca. 1933-1946, besides the one already posted on this forum...at least, it looks like a different bead shop sign.
Valerie

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Related link: http://beijing.virtualcities.fr/Photos/Images?ID=9886
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Thank you Karlis, Valerie -and Peter.
Re: Re: Re: Traditional bead shop signs, in or near Beijing, c. 1930s-40s -- Valerie Hector Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
01/08/2018, 17:19:41



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Agreed, this is a photo of a third sign
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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
01/08/2018, 21:17:28

Welcome, Valerie, and, yes, this is a third sign; with Peter's examples, there four (or five?) such signs illustrated here.



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Yellow glass "court necklace"
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/10/2018, 12:49:20

$445 eBay November 2017 sold item 263304670579

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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/10/2018, 12:52:06

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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
01/10/2018, 16:27:05

I do not understand why the seller calls this a 1950's Court Necklace.
I believe it is genuine Ching Dynasty based upon the age of each part.



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Genuine?
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Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
01/12/2018, 01:27:13

Since the majority of "Court necklaces" are cobbled-together from parts (often unrelated parts), finding a "genuine" Court necklace is statistically unlikely.



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Re: Genuine? -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Valerie Hector Post Reply
01/13/2018, 08:41:36

I have a question - where did the colored image of the beaded shop sign come from? The one that was posted her a few days back?



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Limited edition of the shop sign book; however...
Re: Re: Genuine? -- Valerie Hector Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: jrj Post Reply
01/13/2018, 14:18:47

the plate with the glass bead sign does not appear to be on the Internet. Karlis, did you obtain a copy of the plate from the Harvard Library?

1) Sotheby's copy:
[Fung, H.K.] THE SHOP SIGNS OF PEKING (YANDU SHANGBANG TU). PEKING: CHINESE PAINTING ASSOCIATION OF PEKING, [1931]

LIMITED EDITION, ONE OF 100 COPIES, oblong folio (250 x 310mm.), 101 fine hand-coloured illustrations on 18 leaves with English and Chinese captions, original cloth-backed brocade boards, paper label, string tied, offsetting of silver paint oils to adjacent leaves, light wear to binding with light bowing to top edges...

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/lot.197.html/2016/china-print-paper-l16409

2) Harvard copy:

https://www.google.com/search?q=THE+SHOP+SIGNS+OF+PEKING(YANDU+SHANGBANG+TU).+PEKING:+CHINESE+PAINTING+ASSOCIATION+OF+PEKING,&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS460US460&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjljqOa99XYAhVicd8KHZqEB5EQ_AUICigB&biw=1120&bih=566&dpr=1.5#imgrc=pvk1gXHLg_ZgRM:&spf=1515880570415

A note, the sign in the colored plate is labeled "glass bead" sign. I wonder if only glass beads were sold in the shop or the label refers to the glass beads used in the sign. Seems likely to be the former. I found a few auction catalogs from the 1920s-30s containing court necklaces (no pictures, though). This suggests that some necklaces composed of the more precious beads were collected in the early Republic?



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Here is the hand-colored drawing in the 1931 shop signs book
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Posted by: Valerie Hector Post Reply
01/14/2018, 07:36:18

Here is the page of the 1931 book that shows the hand-colored drawing of the bead shop sign. It certainly resembles those photographed by Hedda Morrison.

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Another Hedda Morrison photo: a bead shop sign in context of other shop signs
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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
01/13/2018, 16:10:41

Photo: "Shop signs for a bead shop (left), coiffure frame shop (center left), comb shop (center bottom), and unidentified shop (right):"

https://www.hpcbristol.net/visual/hv20-081


Results for searches on "beaded" and "bead;" 1920s photos showing people wearing beads and beads being used to sand an object, among others:

https://www.hpcbristol.net/search?query=beaded&match_mode=any&date=&end_date=&estdate=&collection=&location=&photographer=&identifier=&title=¬es=&caption_on_mount=&caption_on_image=&orderby=identifier&orderdir=asc&show=12

https://www.hpcbristol.net/search?page=1&query=bead&match_mode=any&date=&end_date=&estdate=&collection=&location=&photographer=&identifier=&title=¬es=&caption_on_mount=&caption_on_image=&orderby=identifier&orderdir=asc&show=12

(If these links doesn't work, enter "beaded" or "bead" into the search box, select "match all words" and then search.)

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Does anyone know where this bead shop sign photo was published?
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Posted by: Valerie Hector Post Reply
01/16/2018, 10:36:00

Does anyone know where this bead shop sign photo was published? I have never seen it before it was posted to beadcollector.net a few weeks back.

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Re: Does anyone know where this bead shop sign photo was published? -- Valerie Hector Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: jrj Post Reply
01/16/2018, 20:20:44


http://beijing.virtualcities.fr/Photos/Images?as=66

(If this link doesn't take you to the images, look up Beijing/images/then click on “b” or search for image nos. 11038 and 11039.)



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Amazing from A to Z…Thanks, JRJ
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
01/17/2018, 00:12:05



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I had better luck with this link - image ID 17782
Re: Does anyone know where this bead shop sign photo was published? -- Valerie Hector Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/17/2018, 10:10:21


Related link: http://beijing.virtualcities.fr/Asset/Preview/dbImage_ID-17782_No-1.jpeg

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But finding the bibliography item that published the picture is a problem
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/17/2018, 10:25:33

The image cites these publications in the link:

http://beijing.virtualcities.fr/References/Bibliography

Which one? When? Am I just being stupid?


Related link: http://beijing.virtualcities.fr/References/Bibliography

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Is the sign in the Japanese Tenri University museum?
Re: But finding the bibliography item that published the picture is a problem -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/17/2018, 10:30:36

The most important contribution, however, comes from the fascinating collection of the Tenri Museum. It holds more than 100 Beijing shop signs that were collected at the end of 1939. They are probably the only remaining actual artefacts that exist throughout the world today. In April 1939, a certain Fukuhara Tokia, a Chinese language teacher in the Tenri School of Foreign Languages, went to Beijing to prepare for his superior’s planned trip there. Eventually, because of bad relationships with the Japanese army in the capital city, the superior was not able to go to China. Instead he asked Fukuhara to collect shop signs. We do not know why he made this decision. We only know that the superior was interested in Chinese culture, that his attention was caught by a magazine advertisement for Louise Crane’s book, and that he had bought the book Shop Signs in Peking, published in 1931. Fukuhara used it as a guide to buying shop signs through an antique shop on Hatamen (Chongwenmen), a famous commercial street at that time.27 The antique dealer provided a complete list of the shops, with their names and addresses, but this document was eventually lost. Today the museum still has 125 shop signs from the original collection amassed by Fukuhara in Beijing.28

Thanks to the collection of shop signs brought back by Fukuhara in 1939, the Museum of Tenri University (Tenri Sankōkan) has become a major place for the study of shop signs.

http://beijing.virtualcities.fr/Texts/Articles?ID=50



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Re: Is the sign in the Japanese Tenri University museum?
Re: Is the sign in the Japanese Tenri University museum? -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Valerie Hector Post Reply
01/17/2018, 15:07:31

I will check with the Tenri University Museum - I did not know of its collection of shop signs from Beijing. This sounds like a very promising possibility - thank you for it!



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Got a couple of thousand pounds to spend?
Re: But finding the bibliography item that published the picture is a problem -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/17/2018, 10:44:30

Only 100 copies exist?

[Fung, H.K.]
THE SHOP SIGNS OF PEKING (YANDU SHANGBANG TU). PEKING: CHINESE PAINTING ASSOCIATION OF PEKING, [1931]

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/lot.197.html/2016/china-print-paper-l16409


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Posted by: Valerie Hector Post Reply
01/17/2018, 15:10:01

When I checked OCLC/Worldcat for this title "The Shop Signs of Peking," I came across multiple editions, some listing other authors. It's possible that some of the editions are available via interlibrary loan. Many of the pages are already available on the internet. Thus, no need to spend a few thousand pounds...though it would be nice to own a copy!



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Bibliography item?
Re: But finding the bibliography item that published the picture is a problem -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: jrj Post Reply
01/17/2018, 20:44:59

Sorry, Beadiste, can you explain your comment about the bibliography item? This time, I'm not following.

Beadsite, I believe you posted the link to the great shop sign article on virtual cities, but I just went through your posts and couldn't find it. So, just in case, here it is or is again:

http://beijing.virtualcities.fr/Texts/Articles?ID=50

From the bibliography in the above article: "The Tenri Museum has a copy of The Shop Signs of Peking (Yan du shangbang tu) (Beiping: Chinese Painting Association of Peking, 1931), which includes a document (Yan du shangbang tu dizhi) with the addresses of all the shops that displayed the shop signs represented in the book. I hope to get a copy of this document and to map out these locations on a map of Republican Beijing. Pekin no kanban, p. 16"

http://www.tenri-u.ac.jp/topics/q3tncs00000gd453-att/q3tncs00000gd4eh.pdf
This makes reference to some signs having been lost but not the list.

http://www.tenri-u.ac.jp/topics/q3tncs00000gd396-att/q3tncs00000gd3gb.pdf

I think these signs are so cool. I'm happy to know others do too!



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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/18/2018, 08:41:55

Follow this link to image 17782

http://beijing.virtualcities.fr/Photos/Images

And then click on the link to the supposed source bibliography for the picture. Impossible to follow, I think, to discover where this picture was actually published.

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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/18/2018, 08:47:58

This is the publication attached to the picture, which made me think it is from the Tenri university museum collection.


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Do a Google search for just the Kanji script (use quotes)...
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Posted by: beadiste Post Reply
01/18/2018, 08:53:07

...and you'll get a list of links to what seems to be a publication of the Tenri museum collection.

"天理大学, 天理教道友社共編"



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"Pekin No Kanban" - The Japanese book that the color photo appears in?
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01/18/2018, 20:38:11

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Re: Do a Google search for just the Kanji script (use quotes)... -- beadiste Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Valerie Hector Post Reply
01/24/2018, 08:27:42

Thank you for referring us to the Japanese book - I will have the text translated into English and will post it here - but it may take me a month or so to get it done.



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