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Posted by: claudian Post Reply
07/03/2006, 09:41:23

Just received this strand today. Is there a way to tell plastic from resin? There appears to be one "pure" amber bead mixed in, based on its rough surface, and a couple more that look non-resinous. Whatever they are they are really attractive. We have explored this subject so much, but I'm still confused. Not a big surprise is it?? Thanks-Steve

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Most likely all Phenolic Resin, Steve.
Re: "Amber" rehash--sorry!!!! -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Carl Dreibelbis Post Reply
07/03/2006, 09:57:24

If you were to put a HOT needle, or as I do it (don't try this at home) run a lighter over the bead and you get a smell which is chemical like, almost like burning insulation, these are man made, phenolic resin beads.

With that said, I have collected these types of "amber" beads for 30 years and still enjoy them.

Carl



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Re: Most likely all Phenolic Resin, Steve. I've seen you with the lighter!!!
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Posted by: claudian Post Reply
07/03/2006, 10:02:23

I am glad you answered since you listed em(lol)!! My guess is they are newer and they are still using phenol-based compounds in beads?? Are they? sm



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Re: Most likely all Phenolic Resin, Steve. I've seen you with the lighter!!!
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Posted by: Carl Dreibelbis Post Reply
07/03/2006, 10:08:02

I don't think so, Steve. I think these are older beads . This is where we need Jamey's input before I go any further BUT I don't think they still make these beads the same way or even out of the same compounds any longer.



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Thanks-One last question--Were they mold-made then "polished?"
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Posted by: claudian Post Reply
07/03/2006, 10:09:49



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old and mold
Re: Thanks-One last question--Were they mold-made then "polished?" -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
07/03/2006, 11:23:40

Not mold-made, of course. They were machine-cut from longer rods, at least those I talked about previously. Those of German 1920-1930´s production.

Let´s ask Doctor Morris - she knows!

JAMES



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Re: Re: Most likely all Phenolic Resin, Steve. I've seen you with the lighter!!! -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
07/03/2006, 11:19:29

The spots are nothing but "heat applied" and tell nothing about age.

You guess they are newer? Based on what, is your guess? A guess alone is not enough. Please tell, why you think they are newer? Newer than what? The majority of such non-amber beads are of German and French production, between 1920 - 1930.

the-real-thing
Bond!



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European made imitation amber - sample cards
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Posted by: Joy B. Post Reply
07/03/2006, 10:14:13

I'm not an authority, but here are three sample card images I have stored from past posts on this subject. Phenolic plastic synthetic resins... manufactured imitation amber. Jamey has a wealth of information regarding the topic, but I also found the attached article online, for what it's worth.

Joy B.

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Related link: http://www.amberwholesale.com/imitations.html

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Thanks Joy! Great stuff. Are these cards dated ?
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Posted by: Carl Dreibelbis Post Reply
07/03/2006, 10:20:22



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I think images originally came from JP... I did not make note of dates, sorry!
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07/03/2006, 10:31:47



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the ones with the dark spots on the surface sure look like plastic...
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07/03/2006, 10:45:48



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Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
07/03/2006, 10:53:26

I agree: no surprise indeed!

BOND



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False Dichotomy
Re: "Amber" rehash--sorry!!!! -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
07/03/2006, 18:51:52

Hi Steve,

You have accidently set up a false dichomomy—because plenolic plastic IS "resin." It happens to be artificial resin, but still is resinous.

So, the issue is not on telling "plastic from resin." The object should be to identify the material, whether it be natural or artificial resin, recent, semi-fossil, or fossil resin; and wheher it is justified, or not to charactrerize the material as "amber."

Your beads appear to be phenolic plastic beads, post-dating 1926. Perhaps some ten years ago, new phenolic plastic beads (imitating amber) were still being made—and those from West Africa were sold as "old amber." Since that time, most of the new amber-like beads I've seen tend to be from thermolabile plastics (soft easily-melted materials), and may or may not be made from preformed constructions (such as canes)—since some appear to be injection-molded, or the like. China now makes a LOT of plastic imitations; and I see beads that appear to be new versions of "African" beads (the beads we came to associate with West Africa in the ealry 1970s, though originally from Germany and/or Central Europe)—but these new beads are from (out of) India.

The Amber Forum I moderate is very useful for sorting out amber issues.

Jamey


Related link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amberisforever/

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