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Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/27/2006, 16:56:15

Hello everybody,
the TASART photo shows one single bead from Oualata. Thomas is right, when saying such beads are often mistaken as those being made in this isolated, nevertheless fantastic, desert-village. Instead they are just a certain type of simpler Nourakad, though not mahmoud-made, of course.

A Martini for the right answer,
James N.C. Bond

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....just one of them! - Just for the record!
Re: ....just one of them! -- Nura Cadd Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Evelyn Post Reply
06/27/2006, 17:11:45

Hi James Bond,

Just for the record -- in the original text that accompanied TASART's image, re-posted by you in this thread, Thomas said the opposite of what you are crediting him of saying:

Posted by: TASART
04/17/2006, 18:15:58

These are reported to have come from Oualata, considered rarer than "Kiffas"..............here are two with visible red cores....

Cheers,
Evelyn



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What's your take Evelyn?
Re: ....just one of them! - Just for the record! -- Evelyn Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
06/27/2006, 18:27:31

When I wrote the word “REPORTED”, I was referring to the Oppers and Marie-Francoise Delaroziere books where they illustrated these types as Oualata beads.....if you had read further you would have seen this. I have never been to Mauritania, unlike Kirk, Juergen, Gabus, Opper, Delaroziere etc. who all have been there (and don’t agree on much, BTW), I have to evaluate what they say and form my opinions from their research, hence I used the word REPORTED. My question for you is this: are the beads in question from Oualata as some of the above mentioned authorities have illustrated or are they not. I am reading from your comments that you are now changing your mind on these because Juergen says they are not. I personally am not a self professed expert on the subject I can only call the shots as I see them. Please educate me on this subject using your OWN words.
Cheers to you also, Thomas



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HELP, I need Kiffa expert opinion!!!!!
Re: What's your take Evelyn? -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
06/27/2006, 18:52:21

Since we have the leading authorities posting here, I have a Kiffa question: what are these beads called? I know, but I'll only tell after the others have taken a crack at it.
Rules, we all,(I think), know they are Maure Wet Powder Glass Beads, so that would not be the name I'm looking for.
Are they Nourakads, Murakads, Kiffas, Oualata or what?
Good luck! Thomas

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Re: HELP, I need MORE Kiffa expert opinion!!!!!
Re: HELP, I need Kiffa expert opinion!!!!! -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
06/27/2006, 20:47:59

A few more that need proper ID, HINT: green hearts.....anyone know???

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Murakad
Re: HELP, I need Kiffa expert opinion!!!!! -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
06/28/2006, 05:13:22

Hi Thomas,

Kirk Stanfield swears that his informant in Mauritania specifically said that what we popularly call "Kiffa" beads are called "murakad" by Mauritanians. Further, he says the name "nourakad" ONLY refers to a shape of certain beads, and is not a general name for the whole group. "Nourakad" was published by Jürgen Busch as a general name. Kirk says he was misinformed or that he possibly misunderstood.

"Maure Wet Powder Glass Beads" is not a name. It is a description.

"Oualata," like "Kiffa," refers to one town where Mauritanian powderglass beads have been made. I am not convinced anyone has determined which beads may have been made there, nor that such beads were only or principally made there. It is probably a less-good name than "Kiffa."

Allow me to remind the audience that I first saw Kiffa beads (and was told this name) in 1983, and precipitated their study by Robert Liu—who then wrote about them in 1984 and gave a lecture on them at the International Bead Conference in 1985. I can't take all the credit, because at the exact same time, Elizabeth Harris also told Robert about these beads. The specimens I saw were/are in the collection of Anita Gumpert in Washington, DC. Only a few years later, the Oppers came along (from Senegal to Washington), and published articles and a book about Kiffa beads. Their primary sources were French articles published in Senegal, that were also Elizabeth's sources. But I can say I was the first American bead researcher to see these beads in real life.

Jamey



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my take
Re: What's your take Evelyn? -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Evelyn Post Reply
06/28/2006, 03:43:40

Hi Thomas,

My take is that some of said beads were probably made in Oualata, as well as other types that were made there too! - but they were made in other locations also. The term "Oualata Bead", to me, indicates that this bead (or types of beads) were made in Oualata exclusively. This appears not to be the case. I formed my opinion concerning the origins of these beads after having evaluated all the relevant information available to me.

That this information is, at times, contrary and confusing, is unfortunate. For instance, the term "nourakad", according to the Oppers, is the name for one specific shape. Quote: "The conical: they are called “ koust el arf” which liberally translated, means
“imitation of the unique”. The legend tells that the first one was made by the prophet Soulleiman. Other names are “masnoura” or “nourakad”." According to Kirk Stanfield, in "Chasing Rainbows", published in Lapidary Journal (2000), "nourakad" means hand-made. According to Juergen Busch, "nourakad" is the name that applies to the whole group of beads, because the locals told him so. According to Kirk Stanfield, the name that applies to the whole group of beads is "murakad", also because the locals told him so. Collectors know the same group of beads collectively as "Kiffa" beads, because it was believed that they were made in the town of Kiffa ......... for this reason, i.e. to keep things simple, I prefer not to use any of these terms, but to call the whole group "Maure powder glass beads", analoguous to "Krobo powder glass beads" which encompasses all the many different types and styles of powder glass beads made by the Krobo people of Ghana.

Cheers,
Evelyn



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Re: my take
Re: my take -- Evelyn Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Capt. Craddoc Post Reply
06/28/2006, 06:27:41

So Evelyn,

What you are saying now is that you really don't know. You seem to be only repeating what others have said and you haven't done any real field research of your own.



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"Field research?"
Re: Re: my take -- Capt. Craddoc Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Kathryn Post Reply
06/28/2006, 07:12:04

How does one do field research?

The technical definition of field research is, "Using observation or surveys with questionnaires," or, "A research method involving observation in natural settings." This side of actually traveling to Oualata, it seems Evelyn did field research, gathered all her knowledge together based on other's observations and made an educated guess, even if that guess didn't lead to conclusive answers.



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"A research method involving observation in natural settings"
Re: "Field research?" -- Kathryn Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Capt. Craddoc Post Reply
06/28/2006, 07:34:15

In any of Evelyn's writings I have not seen proof her doing of this. She is merely repeating other people's findings. If the data that she has collected is not conclusive then she should acquire language skills of the region, go there and do real field research using her acquired language skills so there are no misunderstandings. The key to this accurate research would be in acquiring the language skills of the region. This is where the greatest point of controversy lies.



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Martinis all around...make them doubles! And THESE? From Ooulala?
Re: "A research method involving observation in natural settings" -- Capt. Craddoc Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: claudian Post Reply
06/28/2006, 08:30:09

...maybe? lol-Steve

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the smallest is just over 4mm!!!
Re: Martinis all around...make them doubles! And THESE? From Ooulala? -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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too many Martinis......WOW am I seeing SPOTS!!!!!
Re: Martinis all around...make them doubles! And THESE? From Ooulala? -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
06/28/2006, 08:35:20

Great spotted bead! the others aren't too shabby either!



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re: Thanks! The white blue-spotted bead..I have wanted one FOREVER!!!
Re: too many Martinis......WOW am I seeing SPOTS!!!!! -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: claudian Post Reply
06/28/2006, 08:47:49

I take it they are pretty hard to find. I have seen a couple shown in the Forum...yours probably(lol), but haven't seen many anywhere else.sm



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You are so right....
Re: re: Thanks! The white blue-spotted bead..I have wanted one FOREVER!!! -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
06/28/2006, 09:04:27

A Kiffa bead that has been overlooked by many!!!
They are true treasures and very rare, I wonder how many were accidentally culled from the dealers strands of the past? You have a wondeful example, I have never seen one with as many eyes!!!
Thomas



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Re: re: Thanks! The white blue-spotted bead..I have wanted one FOREVER!!!
Re: re: Thanks! The white blue-spotted bead..I have wanted one FOREVER!!! -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: adjichristine Post Reply
06/28/2006, 10:37:37

Hi, I sold twelve of these beads in pristine condition to Chris England the very first time I met him years ago! They are not as valued by the mauritanians as the others! I got all twelve from one of my Mauritanian friends!



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make mental note to self: contact Chris England
Re: Re: re: Thanks! The white blue-spotted bead..I have wanted one FOREVER!!! -- adjichristine Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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Re: make mental note to self: contact Chris England....ditto
Re: make mental note to self: contact Chris England -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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Live and let wait
Re: make mental note to self: contact Chris England -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/28/2006, 18:16:17

Thomas - "Man with the golden beads" - offer one in exchange and it could be yours. If you wanna wait, please be patient. The doors will open soon!

Jay Bond



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Christine I assume you kept at least one of them....
Re: Re: re: Thanks! The white blue-spotted bead..I have wanted one FOREVER!!! -- adjichristine Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: claudian Post Reply
06/28/2006, 10:59:39

...and there must have been a reason why they were made in the first place. Didn't most/all "kiffa" designs originally have some sort of tribal or mythological significance? Or can we ever know? Steve



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"Cable" to Mauritania - is that true?
Re: Re: re: Thanks! The white blue-spotted bead..I have wanted one FOREVER!!! -- adjichristine Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/28/2006, 18:08:23

quote adjichristine: "They are not as valued by the mauritanians as the others!" end-quote
Meant were white Nourakad with many blue eyes or dots!

Mauritania just telexed back, quote: "By the honor of "Her Majesty´s Secret Service" - we can´t confirm, informant wrong! end-quote

My own investigations - riscing my own self a few times - confirm that this bead is ABSOLUTELY cherished by Mauritanian woman, who make and wear such pieces!

Adjichristine!!! Admit!!! Confess!!! Who is your informant and what is her or his expertise?

James



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Re: "Cable" to Mauritania - is that true?
Re: "Cable" to Mauritania - is that true? -- Nura Cadd Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: adjichristine Post Reply
06/29/2006, 13:43:32

Please do not misunderstand what I said! I have no informant but, I have many friends(Mauritanians) I do not consider my friends as informants!!! My friend gave me 13 of these white kiffas with blue spots, whereas, she would never have given me thirteen of the other colored kiffas!! Because, she obviously places a much higher value on the others! Instead of saying Mauritanians in general, I should have said, my friend Aissatou! Forgive me for being general! By the way, I'm enjoying this thread too much, to fight with you over anything!!



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late-night fight
Re: Re: "Cable" to Mauritania - is that true? -- adjichristine Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/29/2006, 16:01:05

Hello,
fight...?

Regarding value or scarcity of this (13) white beads and others in general!

To my knowledge Mauritanian woman - those who made and wore them - do not think in terms of "rare" and "costly" etc. They could have made just any design they wanted. For us that´s a different story, of course! We must be lucky with what we find!

But, of course, it is more likely for a person - like your friend - to give away such "white/blue" beads, then those in traditional designs with 5-6 colors, which are way more attractive in most cases.

JB



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Re: re: Thanks! The white blue-spotted bead..I have wanted one FOREVER!!!
Re: Re: re: Thanks! The white blue-spotted bead..I have wanted one FOREVER!!! -- adjichristine Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: pbrown Post Reply
07/22/2008, 18:48:03

Do you have any information on how to reach Chris England. He is a long lost friend of my family and we have been trying to find him.
Thank you,
Patty



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The World IS Not Enough...
Re: re: Thanks! The white blue-spotted bead..I have wanted one FOREVER!!! -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/28/2006, 17:55:10

....it must also be a round, white Nourakad with blue eyes?

So it´s mainly scarecity you´re after? May I ask why? The bead itself is not only simple and plain, also rather,....yes, ugly even, surely when compared to other, leave alone elaborate Nourakad.

True, they are rare, but surely not one-of-a-king. They also come in variations, with red/yellow circles around the beadholes, for example!

I don´t want to get this wrong. I too, am after rare beads, of course! But not in the first place.

sorry, Octopussy...
later - you understand!
BOND



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"For your eyes only"
Re: Martinis all around...make them doubles! And THESE? From Ooulala? -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/28/2006, 17:43:25

Hello,
why laughing....? You´re pretty close - you´re actually right there! Not the bigger white one with blue dots, of course!

"Kiffas" are forever,
Bond! James....Bond!



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Re: "A research method , Question, please---------
Re: "A research method involving observation in natural settings" -- Capt. Craddoc Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: adjichristine Post Reply
06/28/2006, 10:54:49

can one really be considered an expert on a subject that one has exclusively gathered information from third parties? Meaning if, I read every book and article on Kiffa without doing any field research at all, could I be considered an expert? Would it be honest to take credit for the field reseach of others even if, I do quote said persons? Jamey Allen, Juegan B. Kirk Stanfield, the Oppers have all done some serious field research! One must give them credit for that!
I'm very sensitive to this comment of language skills to be able to talk to the people gave us this wonderful beads! Yesterday, I spent the whole morning with Ramatoulay, a Mauritanian! At some point in the perpetual discussion about these beads, we must let these women speak for theirselves! i'm in the process of listening to these women!



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From Page Three Here
Re: Re: "A research method , Question, please--------- -- adjichristine Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
06/28/2006, 13:43:21

"Dear Jürgen,

You are at an impasse with Kirk about the correct name of the beads in question. You're repeating yourself is the same as Kirk repeating himself.

I propose that the only way to break the impasse is for:

A) An informed Mauritanian to make a contribution based on his/her local information;

or

B) For yet another person to ask this question—ideally of SEVERAL Mauritanian informants, and to make a report.

Jamey"

By the way, I never refer to myself (nor anyone else) as "a bead expert."

JDA.



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EXPERT
Re: From Page Three Here -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
07/01/2006, 17:33:19

quote Beadman:
"By the way, I never refer to myself (nor anyone else) as "a bead expert."

BOND`s answer: I understand and agree!

JAMES



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Are these rare?
Re: ....just one of them! -- Nura Cadd Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
06/28/2006, 08:31:28

In the latest Ornament article about Kiffa beads it mentions the three versions of triangular beads, and I quote: "plain red (only rarely can a red triangular bead be found that has been decorated with white spots or with an eye pattern); blue, with a number of white spots ranging from one to as many as twenty or more (and their rarer versions depicting polychrome eye decoration or chevron patterns); and beads with an amazing variety of polychrome.......etc".
What is the flaw in this quote? Where did the research falter?
Please let me explain: Too many times we rely on information that others have gathered, many times this information may be incomplete. Many times we don't have access to something we are trying to describe or write articles about. What happens sometimes is we start to assume, when we assume we should let people know we are assuming. The article I quoted above boldly states that red triangular beads are plain (for the most part)....in describing the blue triangular beads the word "plain" never appears, does this mean the writer has a very limited bead pool from which to form these conclusions? Probably, especially when considering the depth this article tries to go relating to these issues. I would like to share with the bead world the bead that has been neglected in the latest issue of Ornament magazine: the PLAIN blue trianguler Kiffa bead. How many are there? Who knows? The issue is: they occur but somehow were missed completely by the author/researcher.
Thomas

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An example of my "field" notes
Re: Are these rare? -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
06/28/2006, 09:33:04

Since I have never been to Africa, I am limited, as are many, to do research from books or study the collections I have access to. The following is an example of my personal studies regarding a part of my collection (there is nothing earth shattering here, it's mainly my notes):

Blue triangular Kiffa Beads, décor type, population report.

This population report is using 132 Blue Triangle shaped Kiffa beads.

There are 6 “Rare Design” blue triangle beads included that do not reflect the actual statistics as the author of this report has a keen interest in collecting the unusual varieties. The other 126 are random Blue Triangles that were culled from “dealers’ strands” either from private collections or from the West African Bead Trade.


Typically the Blue Polychrome Triangular Kiffa Bead is a shade of blue with minimal design or décor applied in the manufacturing stage and not after the final firing, these minimal decorative designs usually are in the form of white dots. Personal observation indicates that there are a small number of variations from the white dot motif. On several samplesthere are White, Red and Yellow layered dots, others have a polychrome chevron or zigzag motif, still another type has a white chevron/zigzag and another has the Islamic crescent moon and star design.


This population report is taken from the personal collection of Thomas
(blank)= (TASART) and is limited to a sampling of actual beads on hand.


In most references describing Kiffa beads it is mentioned or assumed that the Blue Triangle Version almost always has a design, no matter how simple. This appears not to be the case in this study as the total beads counted included 5 that had no design whatsoever!


The report is as follows:


(132 beads total)


NO design------0 dots = 5 = 3.78% of the total


White dots------1 dot = 1 = .76% “ “


“ “ “ -------2 dot = 1 = .76% “ “


“ “ “ -------3 dot =12 = 9.09% “ “


“ “ “ -------4 dot = 4 = 3.3% “ “


“ “ “ -------5 dot =39 =29.58% “ “


“ “ “ -------6 dot =32 =24.24% “ “


“ “ “ -------7 dot =15 =11.36% “ “


“ “ “ -------8 dot = 7 = 5.3% “ “


“ “ “ -------9 dot = 1 = .76% “ “


No beads with more than 9 dots were observed.


Out of the 132 total there were a total of 15 beads with damaged that
prohibited taking an accurate count of the dots.


These all had a minimum of one dot per bead.


“ “ “ -------? dots =15 =11.36% “ “


After totaling the percentages, it is noted that there is a +.29%
discrepancy in that total.

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Interesting, Thomas
Re: An example of my "field" notes -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Carl Dreibelbis Post Reply
06/28/2006, 11:34:33

The majority of the blue kiffa triangles we have at Africa Direct also have 5 or 6 white dots.



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Re: Interesting, Thomas--yes Carl, same here. I am blue with envy...
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VERY INTERESTING, THOMAS
Re: An example of my "field" notes -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/29/2006, 18:08:26

Thomas,
I see this post(s) only now - strange!

Funny, I´ve made simelar counts and will check my notes tomorrow to compare with yours.

Curious already for the outcome (in percent)!
3AM - you understand!
A last Martini - and my Austin Martin takes me home
Bond!



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I've never seen one...kind of like the reds with eyes.
Re: Are these rare? -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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06/28/2006, 09:41:58



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do you mean these?
Re: I've never seen one...kind of like the reds with eyes. -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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06/28/2006, 09:52:11

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I knew that was coming..so you have TWO...hmmm.
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Re: do you mean these?blue with yellow and white eyes!
Re: do you mean these? -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: adjichristine Post Reply
06/28/2006, 16:36:55

Thomas, do you have one like this? Check out the blue one with white and yellow eyes!

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BLUES
Re: Re: do you mean these?blue with yellow and white eyes! -- adjichristine Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/29/2006, 18:17:27

Lovely collection! Compliment! Fine beads indeed! Basically all of them, what is really not seen too often! The blue one with white/red/yellow "eyes" is awesome. I do not have an exactly matching one. Thomas....?

Bond´s fond!



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None yet....but I'm not done looking! Very nice Christine!!!!
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06/30/2006, 13:26:44



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You Steve...?
Re: Re: do you mean these?blue with yellow and white eyes! -- adjichristine Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/30/2006, 16:55:47

Sorry, I am not so familiar with your names, but I think it was Steve who had shown some of his Nourakad recently, but asked a question about a specific one. A blue cylindrical one with "white eyes". Remember?
TASART has shown it´s incredibly (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) beautiful, ancient prototype bead. I had praized this bead too, but said it is not so rare. Remember....?

Take a look at "adjichristine´s" photo, showing her fine collection with nothing but old and good beads.

See which one I mean...?

The design may slightly vary - maybe adjichristine could post a better photo of this one bead alone - but the design-type is absolutely same.

See the bead in question?

Bond,....007!



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MYSTERIOUS INDEED!
Re: do you mean these? -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/29/2006, 18:13:57

Thomas,
....and even beautiful ones! GREAT patina, not to talk about this rare design. WONDERFUL beads. In shape, patina! and rarest design, of course!

Bond



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wow
Re: do you mean these? -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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06/30/2006, 03:26:15



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The only one I've ever seen -- red with eyes
Re: I've never seen one...kind of like the reds with eyes. -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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06/28/2006, 10:12:23

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Very nice indeed!!!
Re: The only one I've ever seen -- red with eyes -- Evelyn Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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Re: The only one I've ever seen -- red with eyes OH MYYYYYYYYYY!
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Posted by: claudian Post Reply
06/28/2006, 10:21:54

Evelyn that is magnificent! Here is a blue triangle with multi-color eyes. Steve awaits the inevitable reply..lol. sm

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the inevitable reply - LOL!
Re: Re: The only one I've ever seen -- red with eyes OH MYYYYYYYYYY! -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Evelyn Post Reply
06/28/2006, 11:11:27

Hi Steve,

Thanks. Good to see you back.

As to the inevitable, you wrote in another thread - if I may quote: ** ranking kiffa for "quality" seems rather cruel, even arrogant, as they are all special and precious to those who collect them. And they all were probably precious to those women who created them. ** I have nothing to add to your words, in fact, any further comment is irrelevant. What matters is that the bead moves you.

Take care.
Evelyn




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Thanks Evelyn, and....
Re: the inevitable reply - LOL! -- Evelyn Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: claudian Post Reply
06/28/2006, 11:42:08

..it should be rather obvious to most that, to me, "kiffa" literally transcend "beads" and occupy a rather mystical and unique realm in the history of the creative process, as they have been built, literally, from the "ground up" so to speak. And with the most glorious results! Sort of like a Beethoven symphony, or a Da Vinci smile. I'm sure others have their own special little mental niches for specific things which become vital, even indispensable, parts of their lives, their images passing in and through them, asleep and awake. They of course defy any and all attempts at explanation. sm



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FANTA
Re: Re: The only one I've ever seen -- red with eyes OH MYYYYYYYYYY! -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/29/2006, 18:29:10

I am not going to produce myself another "beadenimy", but if you leave me a choice, I CLEARLY and without much thinking, take the little round one to the left. That is wonderful, perfect and very-very RARE!
The blue tringular with eyes? Naaaa, sorry...! Wishes from the wider Nasser-family! Eeeeh-eeeeh!!!

BOND



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Re: FANTA--and one of the two or three favorite of ALL my beads!!!!
Re: FANTA -- Nura Cadd Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: claudian Post Reply
06/30/2006, 13:59:18

In fact, when I got it I thought it deserved its own portrait! Enjoy! Steve

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HOUSE OF PAIN
Re: Re: FANTA--and one of the two or three favorite of ALL my beads!!!! -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/30/2006, 16:05:20

Hello Sir,
do you and TASART live in the same house? Or do you just share the same porch for shooting "Kiffas"....?

W-ALAH-TA!

secretly,
James '007' Bond.



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Thomas would not want me anywhere NEAR "the vault!!!"
Re: HOUSE OF PAIN -- Nura Cadd Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: claudian Post Reply
07/02/2006, 09:58:01

"What's that in your pocket, Steve????"



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More like, "Steve, what are all of those lumps in the your pockets and
Re: Thomas would not want me anywhere NEAR "the vault!!!" -- claudian Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Carl Dreibelbis Post Reply
07/02/2006, 10:22:49

are you chewing tobacco?" Dude, you make me laugh. Thanks



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The Hills have Eyes
Re: The only one I've ever seen -- red with eyes -- Evelyn Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/29/2006, 18:24:23

Hi Evelyn,
you know about my weak memory, but I think you have shown me this piece before!

AMAAAZING...! Not even seen - at least not me and I saw really quite a few, possibly some 20.000 of them!

If the patina would not prove otherwise, I were inclined - I borrow this elaborate Bond-English from E.BEADSMAN - to call it a fantasy-design. Obviously not, though we should question how many pieces of the same design it needs, to avoid this nasty description! Just 3? 5? Or even 10? What do you (all) suggest...?

No worries, Evelyn, it´s always easy to talk other´s rare beads down. It´s some kind of a collector´s reflex, I fear!

As long as it´s not pathological...!?!

Always your servant, Queen!
James



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Re: The Hills have Eyes
Re: The Hills have Eyes -- Nura Cadd Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Evelyn Post Reply
06/30/2006, 02:34:37

Hallo James,

besten Dank fuer Deine Beurteilung meiner Fantasieperle - sie befluegelt meine Fantasie in der Tat.

Yours truly,
sp.agent E.



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The Hills have Eyes - 2006
Re: Re: The Hills have Eyes -- Evelyn Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Nura Cadd Post Reply
06/30/2006, 17:05:00

No,no,no - this isn´t a fantasy bead, but it´s colors are obscure anyway. It´s EXTREMELY rare that two colors are missing, especially in a triangular!

You bet, I wish I were the owner of this piece - I, then, would not even dream it´s decor could be fantastic.

The patina, workmanship and general appearance tells the rest. A rare and obscure Nourakad.

Is there a (sales)price-tag on this specimen? It´s not for sale, I know (or think I know), but let´s pretend, only for a second, I were wrong and it were. How many numbers on the tag? Two or three...? And the first number, the one to the very left, would it be a "1" or not...?
You can tell - we´re among us. I made sure anti listening devices are installed! FOR MY EARS ONLY...., promise!

MI-5 - your friend and helper!
Bond (from the same firm).



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Re: The only one I've ever seen -- red with eyes, Amazing!!!!!
Re: The only one I've ever seen -- red with eyes -- Evelyn Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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06/29/2006, 18:48:40



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